NSKK Motorstander Saar

[paulj]

Here's an interesting NSKK-Motorstander circa 1935 for Motorsturm 25 of the newly formed Saar NSKK-Standarte as part of Group Kurpfalz. The "Saar" on the unit rhomboid is an unusual feature and was apparently a temporary honor designation given to recognize the Saar's reunification with Germany. The "Saar" designation was later replaced by a regular Standarte number (Motor Standarte 162, believe).

This piece also has a metal "2" pinned onto it. I presume it was always there but am not sure what it refers to.

[The Other Brian]

Very nice

[kp520]

Nskk

Thats a cool NSKK flag/pennant.
Have seen several surface recently, but not having a different unit patch as such.
I have owned a boat load of flags over the years, but never had a NSKK flag to date.

[wilhelm Saris]

Great pennant (Sturmstander) to see. Congratulations with this find!

I think the pennant could be from early 1936 as from late 1935 up
to early 1936 and later the use of the word Saar was common. When
looking at the pennant one can see there is a different sort of embroidery.
It might be the pennant was taken over from the Motor-SA, but I cannot
find this number?

[paulj]

Thats a cool NSKK flag/pennant.
Have seen several surface recently, but not having a different unit patch as such.
I have owned a boat load of flags over the years, but never had a NSKK flag to date.

I have 2 - this one and one for 4/M86 (M4/ Leibstandarte Muenchen). Both are recently acquired after decades of collecting. Over the years I've always missed the ones I wanted but now I have 2 nice ones.

[kp520]

NSKK pennant

Paul,
very nice to have two....
They are neat looking, any chance posting the other one for show and tell?

[wilhelm Saris]

I have 2 - this one and one for 4/M86 (M4/ Leibstandarte Muenchen). Both are recently acquired after decades of collecting. Over the years I've always missed the ones I wanted but now I have 2 nice ones.

Hope to see this one too, Paulj.
The earlier shown pennant gives me riddles. In the NSKK Korpsführerbefehle the indication Saar was to be found with the group Kurpfalz-Saar. Later this was Westmark.
The Saar indication I see mentioned in Januari 1944 at least. But a number 25 is not being mentioned.

[wilhelm Saris]

I have 2 - this one and one for 4/M86 (M4/ Leibstandarte Muenchen). Both are recently acquired after decades of collecting. Over the years I've always missed the ones I wanted but now I have 2 nice ones.

86 was from brigade 86, which was Schwaben. Munich with the Leibstandarte was brigade 85. I thought 86 was Augsburg.

[wilhelm Saris]

It took a long time before I found something about Motorsturm 25/M Saar.
In August 1940 it was noted the first training had taken place (no mention of city or area, but it was a wide-spread area from the Saargebiet).
About 35 men from the Wehrstaffel were involved. They were trained by Sturmführer Seufert. The total of the group at that moment was
mentioned to be just over 80. Eduard Seufert was promoted to Obersturmführer with the date April 20, 1941 (note NSKK-Korpsführerbefehl nr. 28).
It is practically sure most of the men were involved with the Organisation Todt/Westwall (as this is mentioned).

[kp520]

NSKK pennants

Excellent information Mr Saris.

[Guymauve]

Hi
nice Sturmstander!

The "Saar" designation was later replaced by a regular Standarte number (Motor Standarte 162, believe).

Not possible for M162, this number was used for Metz/Lothringen (1941/44)
For Motorsturm 25M Saar, I have found Dirmingen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirmingen) but no date precision.
I think that if you need to search, you should start here.
Cheers

[paulj]

Hi
nice Sturmstander!

Not possible for M162, this number was used for Metz/Lothringen (1941/44)
For Motorsturm 25M Saar, I have found Dirmingen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirmingen) but no date precision.
I think that if you need to search, you should start here.
Cheers

Interesting info. Thanks for locating the Motorsturm 25/M Saar!