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    #1

    SA-SS flagpole top

    Gentelmen, may I ask for some help on this item?

    Is it right "SA-SS flagpole top" or is it NSDAP flapole top?
    And is it original? I think it looks ok, but I´m no expert.

    Thank you very much!

    Ostmaerker
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      #3
      This piece is intended to represent an early NSDAP Pole Top, but given the 'soft' details in the casting, especially in the oakleaf wreath, I don't believe it to be original to the period.

      Br. James

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        #4
        Ditto, and ...

        Originally posted by Br. James View Post
        SA-SS flagpole top
        This piece is intended to represent an early NSDAP
        Pole Top, but given the 'soft' details in the casting,
        especially in the oakleaf wreath, I don't believe it to
        be original to the period.

        Br. James
        Ditto:
        Same 1p NSDAP eagle top on the WAF in t=976440 ...
        "Crisp casting detail seems to be lacking - wing arcs,
        wreath leaves and acorns, etc. ...         IMO."
        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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          #5
          If the casting wasn't bad enough............the finish in totally incorrect as well.

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            #6
            Wow, thank you very much, its good to have experts to look over items, I thoght, this top is OK.
            Saved some money

            Ostmaerker

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              #7
              I tend to avoid this version of finial because, in some cases, it's difficult to distinguish the difference between authentic and replicas. That said, I personally think this is a good one and think the wreath has good definition. The replicas normally have very washed out detail on the wreath where you can barely make out the acorns. Look at the definition on the acorn shells and the fine strands within the oak leaves. I haven't seen that on any repro. In addition, the talons and legs are very crisp/sharp. The repros usually look like melted globs of metal..missing nails on the claws..etc. The icing on the cake for me is the conical taper on the threaded stud. All repro studs I've seen are straight cut. Of course, this is just my opinion. Does anyone have pictures of known authentic tops? I would love to see a compare.

              Regards,
              Mike
              https://www.ww2treasures.com

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                Originally posted by Berghof View Post
                I tend to avoid this version of finial because, in some cases, it's difficult to distinguish the difference between authentic and replicas. That said, I personally think this is a good one and think the wreath has good definition. The replicas normally have very washed out detail on the wreath where you can barely make out the acorns. Look at the definition on the acorn shells and the fine strands within the oak leaves. I haven't seen that on any repro. In addition, the talons and legs are very crisp/sharp. The repros usually look like melted globs of metal..missing nails on the claws..etc. The icing on the cake for me is the conical taper on the threaded stud. All repro studs I've seen are straight cut. Of course, this is just my opinion. Does anyone have pictures of known authentic tops? I would love to see a compare.

                Regards,
                Mike
                If it helps: The attachment at the bottom is flexible and no screw.

                Ostmaerker

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                  #9
                  Not even close mate.... Example shows bad pitting from re-casting.....wrong finish w/o nickel base showing........lacks detail throughout. especially in the wings. A common seen reproduction at US show. Example below is an unquestioned original.

                  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&theater&ifg=1

                  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&theater&ifg=1
                  Last edited by 11C; 10-06-2018, 06:18 PM.

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                    #10
                    NSDAP 1P top Compare ...

                    Originally posted by Berghof View Post
                    I tend to avoid this version of finial because,
                    in some cases, it's difficult to distinguish the
                    difference between authentic and replicas. ...
                    I would love to see a compare.
                    regards,
                    Mike
                    Mike:
                    ... as requested.
                    OFW
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                    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                      #11
                      Thanks for posting the pics OFW. I've never seen a repro with the tapered machine threaded stud. As anything, I'd prefer to examine items in person. I've seen pictures do funny things to detail.

                      11c, Thanks for posting the links, but I'm not on FB, so I'm not able to view them.
                      https://www.ww2treasures.com

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                        #12
                        This site sucks...........I couldn't even post pictures when I was a member for all those years.........now it blocks links to other sites???? The owner should be paying us just to be in here.....POS

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                          #13
                          11C - No worries...not worth getting worked up over it. I never had issues posting things, but always get some kind of 3rd party firewall message and It won't let me in. The issue definitely doesn't reside at my end.
                          https://www.ww2treasures.com

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                            #14
                            Ditto, and ...

                            Originally posted by Berghof View Post
                            ... I'm not on FB, ...
                            Berghof:
                            Ditto. Here is a dug relic NSDAP
                            1p pole top with RZM-60 mark.
                            OFW
                            (below) t=632544 by Holzfäller,
                            "found ... in the Woods near Elbe."
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                            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                              #15
                              That is an outstanding find! I can't imagine digging a complete piece like that out of the ground. Thanks for sharing.

                              I looked at some zoomed photos of the pole top in question. This is why I'm not convinced it's a repro...I know, I know...I'm stubborn. I never saw dimples on the acorns and sculpted lines on the oak leaves on a reproduction piece. Those are the things I usually first look for. As you pointed out in one of your illustrations, I normally see globs with no detail. Also, the tapered conical ends on the mounting stud. I guess my question is, does anyone have pictures of a reproduction piece with those features? As far as other details that can't be seen, sometimes certain features just don't show up in photos due to lighting. I can't ignore the ones that do show up though. The finish is a bit off, but again, who knows with the camera/lighting. Anyways...don't mean to be a pain in the ---. I just enjoy analyzing the details of both reproduction and authentic pieces.


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