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    Blutfahne (Blood Banner or Blood Flag) history

    Here is the history of the Blood-flag...or Blutfahne.

    The Blutfahne (Blood Banner or Blood Flag) was the flag of the 5th SA Sturme that was covered in blood from the nazi martyrs (mainly of Andreas Bauriedl who fell on top of the flag (1)) of the failed Beer Hall Putsch 9 Nov 1923.
    Heinrich Trambauer (who carried the flag during the Putsch) took the flag to a friend at Theatinerstrasse 30 where he took the flag from the staff and left with it hidden inside his windjacket. Later Karl Eggers asked Trambauer where the flag was and was given it by Trambauer. Eggers then gave the flag to a man named Gräf for safe keeping. Eggers later took the flag back and possibly left it with a Viktoria Edrich living at Türkenstrasse 23.
    After Hitler was released from Landsberg Prison, Eggers gave the flag to him. It was then fitted to a new staff and finial and just below the finial was a silver dedication sleeve which bore the names of three martyrs from the Putsch who had been members of the 6th company: Bauriedl, Heckenberger and von Stransky.
    The flag was presented by Hitler to the SA at the Party Rally held at Weimar on 4 July 1926 and was from that time known as the Blutfahne. Hitler used it to consecrated new party colors by touching them with one hand while holding the Blutfahne with the other.
    It was presented to the SS (SS-Sturm 1 of 1. SS-Standarte) for safekeeping 9 Nov 1926, an indication of the importance of the SS as a small but dedicated and faithful organisation in contrast to the SA. Joseph Berchtold, the leader of the SS at the time, selected Trambauer to once again carry the banner, but due to ill health, Trambauer was not always able to carry the Blutfahne. Accordingly Berchtonld requested Jacob Grimminger to help and they would be the dual carriers of the Blutfahne. Trambauer received a fractured skull during a street fight with Communists and never recovered, though he lived until 1942, and Grimminger became the sole bearer of the Blutfahne.
    Grimminger was a former cabinet-maker who was born 1892 and had served in World War I when he fought on the Western front and in the Middle East. He was awarded both the Iron Cross 2nd Class and the Turkish War Medal (aka Gallipoli Star or Iron Cresent).
    He joined the NSDAP and SA in 1922 where quickly became a very active member, taking part in many meetings and fights with the communist, including the "Battle of Coburg" 14-15 Oct 1922. He was one of the standard bearers in the first Parteitag in Munich 1923, a service he would provide frequently. He later that year took part in the failed Beer Hall Putsch attached to 10th sturm of SA-standarte München. He joined the refounded NSDAP 1925 and the newly founded SS 1926 where he began serving as a banner attendant until he was appointed the official bearer of the Blutfahne and made SS-Standartenführer.
    The Blutfahne was last seen in public at the funeral of Adolf Wagner, Gauleiter of München-Oberbayern, Apr 1944. It was kept at the headquarters of the NSDAP, the Braunes Haus (Brown House) in Munich, and is believed to have been destroyed during the allied bombings of Munich.
    Jakob Grimminger died poor and completly forgotten in 1969.








    #2
    Hitler used the Blutfahne to consecrated new party colors by touching them with one hand while holding the Blutfahne with the other... so the question is...did all SA standartes get touched by Hitler and the Blutfahne? And get the Nazi blessing? The Nazis were very ritualistic...I would imagine that it did happen?

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      #3
      I would tend to agree, Frank. The symbolism would have been that the power and the zeal of the original Martyrs of the Movement, as focused in the Blood Flag, was transferred to each new Standard by Hitler alone, with that power flowing through him in 'consecration.'

      Br. James

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        #4
        Does anyone on the forum actually own a flag that can be identified in any of the old photos?

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          #5
          about the BF ...

          Originally posted by Frank B View Post
          Here is the history of the Blood-flag...or Blutfahne.
          Hello FB:
          Ironic to read again some of what I wrote about
          the Blood Flag and posted online 2+ decades ago.
          Interesting to see an animated Blood Flag touching
          some of the 330 SS-SBF, 16 SS-Signal & VT/TK flags.

          OFW
          sigpic
          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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            #6
            Now the question is: where is the blood flag now? I look forward to someone finding it eventually. It could be sitting in some trunk in Iowa for all w know.

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              #7
              Blood Flag "Today" ???

              Originally posted by juoneen View Post
              Now the question is: where is the blood flag now? ...
              WAF BF threads now include t=847122, 846523, 368346,
              365505, 176332, 7763, citing
              published Blood Flag info,
              both fact and fiction. See
              t=847122, post #11, source...
              -----------------------------------------------------------
              #2: "Grimminger: A Man and His Flag" Pages 16-24, an article
              by Dann Craigg in Bender Publication "Military Advisor", Spring
              2006 issue, (ISBN 1055-5919). "So what did happen to the
              Blood Flag? George Lincoln Rockwell claimed the Flag was in
              a safe deposit box in Chile awaiting the "Great Day." Others
              think it was most likely destroyed in one of the [bomb] raids
              and others are convinced it was sent back to the United States
              by a relic-hunting GI. Jakob Grimminger claimed, this is unattested,
              that the Flag was destroyed in one of the bombings." This work
              credits my (OFW) 1996 online published Blood Flag information.
              OFW
              PS/ As I write this now watching "Combat" A Day In June,
              on free over the air roof top antenna H&I-TV. Reminds me
              of WAF thread t=864643.

              sigpic
              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                #8
                Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                Hello FB:
                Ironic to read again some of what I wrote about
                the Blood Flag and posted online 2+ decades ago.
                Interesting to see an animated Blood Flag touching
                some of the 330 SS-SBF, 16 SS-Signal & VT/TK flags.

                OFW

                Good stuff...another good question...if there was 500 plus standards... how rare are the flags considered? And what price ranges do they fall into? Just wondering...

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                  #9
                  Blood Flag touched standard values ???

                  Originally posted by Frank B View Post
                  ... how rare are the flags considered?
                  And what price ranges do they fall into?
                  Just wondering...
                  DE Standards $10K+ (banner) to $300K (all parts),
                  depends on banner type (1-4) and condition.

                  *************************************
                  BF-RPT numbers, DE Standards: (typo corrected)
                  1923 4 SA (type 1 banner, 1st RPT pre-dates Blood Flag)
                  1926 8 SA (type 2 banner, embroidered disk background)
                  1927 12 SA (type 3 banner, solid white disk background)
                  1929 24 SA (type 3 banner, ")
                  1931 24 SA (type 3 banner, ")
                  1933 118 SA 8 SS (type 3 banner, ")
                  1934 126 SA 75 SS (type 3 banner, ")
                  1935 36 SA 40 SS 28 NSKK (type 3/4 banners,")
                  1936 25 SA 3 SS 35 NSKK (type 3/4 banners,")
                  1937 30 SA 1 SS 34 NSKK 1 Polizei (", ")
                  1938 42 SA 14 SS 21 NSKK 16 NSFK (", ")
                  ----------------------------------------------------
                  DE totals 449 SA 141 SS 118 NSKK 1 Polizei 16 NSFK
                  ******************************************
                  ****************************************
                  SS battalion standards $7250+, depends on type & condition.
                  BF-RPT SS-SBF = 330 foot, 16 SS-Signal & VT/TK battalions.

                  -------[ Known surviving SS-SBF's from t=427262 ]----------
                  SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~28 SS battalion flags.
                  S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                  S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                  S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                  S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                  S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                  S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                  S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                  S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                  S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                  S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                  S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                  S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                  S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                  S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                  S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                  S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                  S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                  S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                  S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                  S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                  S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                  S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                  S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                  S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                  S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                  (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                  Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                  Note [2] = See originality concerns in this t=427262 post #241 OFW

                  OFW
                  sigpic
                  .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Stevecru View Post
                    Does anyone on the forum actually own a flag that can be identified in any of the old photos?
                    I do.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by azonion View Post
                      I do.
                      Lets see some pics...of both.

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                        #12
                        There is also recent conjecture that the Blutfahne resides in a north German collection, but nobody is 100% certain

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                          #13
                          source ???

                          Originally posted by Freiwillige1813 View Post
                          There is also recent conjecture that the Blutfahne
                          resides in a north German collection, but nobody is
                          100% certain
                          Hello Freiwillige1813:
                          What is the source of this "conjecture" about where
                          the Blood Flag resides today? Request you elaborate.


                          From posts #5 & #12, in WAF t=847122 I note that ...
                          "In a text of the Bavarian State Library it is believed that
                          the flag today is at a collector in Northern Germany. ...
                          They posted nothing about a source." Vexillologe

                          I suspect this story source is as I cited in post #11 t=847122
                          reference:
                          3 ...
                          "Selling Hitler - The Extraordinary Story of the Con Job of
                          the Century - The Faking of The Hitler "Diaries", by Robert
                          Harris, 1986 (ISBN 0-394-55336-5). Blood Flag pages 160-1,
                          274. "... Kujan passed off as the "Blood Flag" the famous symbol
                          of Hitler's abortive beer hall putsch of 1923, ... was simply an
                          ordinary swastika banner - of which there are thousands in
                          existence - to which Kujan had added his usual forged authentication.
                          ... a note: 'As the condition of the flag has suffered greatly in the
                          years of confiscation it is shown in the flag hall of the Brown house
                          behind glass. According to the wishes of the Fuhrer.' Page 164,
                          "I have succeeded in securing ... the Blood Flag, still in its original
                          case with the memorial plaque to the fallen of 1923. In my view
                          these relics of the National Socialist movement, should at the very
                          least, be kept in a safe place by reliable men."
                          OFW
                          Attached Files
                          sigpic
                          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                            #14
                            Are there any photos of the Blood Flag on the actual day of the putsch?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                              Hello Freiwillige1813:
                              What is the source of this "conjecture" about where
                              the Blood Flag resides today? Request you elaborate.


                              From posts #5 & #12, in WAF t=847122 I note that ...
                              "In a text of the Bavarian State Library it is believed that
                              the flag today is at a collector in Northern Germany. ...
                              They posted nothing about a source." Vexillologe

                              I suspect this story source is as I cited in post #11 t=847122
                              reference:
                              3 ...
                              "Selling Hitler - The Extraordinary Story of the Con Job of
                              the Century - The Faking of The Hitler "Diaries", by Robert
                              Harris, 1986 (ISBN 0-394-55336-5). Blood Flag pages 160-1,
                              274. "... Kujan passed off as the "Blood Flag" the famous symbol
                              of Hitler's abortive beer hall putsch of 1923, ... was simply an
                              ordinary swastika banner - of which there are thousands in
                              existence - to which Kujan had added his usual forged authentication.
                              ... a note: 'As the condition of the flag has suffered greatly in the
                              years of confiscation it is shown in the flag hall of the Brown house
                              behind glass. According to the wishes of the Fuhrer.' Page 164,
                              "I have succeeded in securing ... the Blood Flag, still in its original
                              case with the memorial plaque to the fallen of 1923. In my view
                              these relics of the National Socialist movement, should at the very
                              least, be kept in a safe place by reliable men."
                              OFW
                              The blood flag that came with "Hitler's" letter as provenance was up for auction in September 2003. I was actually involved in exposing the whole thing as a scam.
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