Blood Flag photos ...

[oldflagswanted]

Blood Flag photos. For more photos
and information just click ---> here.
OFW

[Br. James]

Many thanks for the reference sources and especially for your long and diligent work in this and countless other fields! In the top photo below, it appears that there is/was a serious tear in the Blutfahne's fabric on the visible face of the banner on the lower right arm of the swastika, directly in front of Grimminger; this tear looks like it went through both the black (swastika) and the white (disk) layers of cloth, stopping at the red field. Does this tear show up on other photos of the Blutfahne...I seem to recall that it does but I'm not really sure now.

Always a most interesting topic -- thanks for sharing your expertise, my friend!

Br. James

[helmuthunter]

Nice one Ben

[Vexillologe]

Very interestig information.
Here is a picture of the Blutfahne in the SA Hall of Honour in Munich.

[Vexillologe]

In a text of the Bavarian State Library it is believed that the flag today is at a collector in Northern Germany.

[Br. James]

Very nice blowup of this photo from "Illustrierter Beobachter," Special Edition "Adolf Hitler," 1936 showing the main hall in the NSDAP Office Building located at Schellingstraße 50 in Munich. Visit our colleague's, Geoff Walden's website "Third Reich in Ruins," where you will find this photo and also one of a meeting of the Board of Directors of the NSDAP held in 1928 in this same main hall. The Party location at Schellingstraße 50 was left to become the museum of NSDAP history when the Brown House was opened in 1931, and the Blutfahne moved to the Braunes Haus at the same time and was the centerpiece in the new Hall of Honor at that location; the two SA Regiment Munich Standards shown were also moved to the Brown House, though they wound upstairs flanking the entrance to the Senator's Hall there. The banners and other artifacts which remained at the Party Museum at Schellingstraße 50 were on permanent display and were from the very early days of the NS Movement; the Blutfahne and the SA Regiment Munich Standards were used repeatedly throughout the 1930s and early 40s and were therefore kept more available at the Brown House.

Thanks for this reminder, Vexillologe,

Br. James

[oldflagswanted]

use damaged flags ???

Many thanks for the reference sources and especially
for your long and diligent work in this and countless
other fields! In the top photo below, it appears that
there is/was a serious tear in the Blutfahne's fabric on
the visible face of the banner on the lower right arm of
the swastika, directly in front of Grimminger; this tear
looks like it went through both the black (swastika) and
the white (disk) layers of cloth, stopping at the red field.
Does this tear show up on other photos of the Blutfahne...
I seem to recall that it does but I'm not really sure now.

Always a most interesting topic -- thanks for sharing your
expertise, my friend!

Br. James

Hello Br. James:
Thanks for your very kind comments. The Blood Flag swastika
arm tear appears to vary over time, likely from extended use
in the wind at parades. A piece may have even fallen off. This
did happen to a US Civil War Minnesota regiment flag in that
flag's 1905 last veteran trooping to their state capitol flag hall.
A young girl picked up the flag piece from the street, and years
later as an old lady returned the flag fragment when Minnesota
restored their ACW flag collection in the 1970's. The flag repair
conservator told me how the piece fit right back into the hole on
the now relic battleflag, this was while I was at his shop having
similar preservation work done on some of my old US, UK, and
German regimental flags. It would be interesting to find a Blood
Flag relic piece still laying around today in a cigar box in Germany.
OFW
(below) Period parade views showing "serious tear in the Blutfahne's fabric."

[darrenbate]

You have UK regimental flags OFW? Wow.

[oldflagswanted]

collecting regimental colours ???

You have UK regimental flags OFW? Wow.

Hello darrenbate:
Yes, indeed several. My earliest dates to 1761 with
"CR" cypher center, being from "The Queens Royal Highland
Regiment". See my 2009 post #15 in WAF thread t=346551.
Thistles & Tudor Roses entwined, St. Andrew "X" badge below.
................................... OFW .................................

[oldflagswanted]

Ditto, and some further photo analysis ...

Very nice blowup of this photo from "Illustrierter Beobachter,"
Special Edition "Adolf Hitler," 1936 showing the main hall in the
NSDAP Office Building located at Schellingstraße 50 in Munich.
Visit our colleague's, Geoff Walden's website "Third Reich in Ruins,"
where you will find this photo and also one of a meeting of the
Board of Directors of the NSDAP held in 1928 in this same main
hall. The Party location at Schellingstraße 50 was left to become
the museum of NSDAP history when the Brown House was opened
in 1931, and the Blutfahne moved to the Braunes Haus at the same
time and was the centerpiece in the new Hall of Honor at that location;
the two SA Regiment Munich Standards shown were also moved to
the Brown House, though they wound upstairs flanking the entran
remained at the Party Museum at Schellingstraße 50 were on
permanent display and were from the very early days of the NS
Movement; the Blutfahne and the SA Regiment Munich Standards
were used repeatedly throughout the 1930s and early 40s and
were therefore kept more available at the Brown House.

Thanks for this reminder, Vexillologe,

Br. James

Hello Br. James:
Ditto, indeed a very nice photo inspiring further analysis.
Likewise very interesting photo location information too.
OFW

[oldflagswanted]

Blood Flag "Today" ? & info sources ...

In a text of the Bavarian State Library it is believed
that the flag today is at a collector in Northern Germany.

Hello Vexillologe:
Interesting, wondering what their source is for that?
Could be from Kujan (see below ref: #3) or of that ilk.

WAF BF threads now include t=846523, 368346, 365505,
176332, 7763, & cite published Blood Flag fact and fiction:

1. "Deutschland Erwache - The History and Development
of the Nazi Party and the "Germany Awake" Standards",
by Ulic of England, 1997 (ISBN 0-912138-69-6). Chapter 14,
The Blood Flag, pages 186-191. Chapter 15, The Consecration
Process 1926-1945. My DE is in the book, so I have extra copies.

2. "Grimminger: A Man and His Flag" Pages 16-24, an article
by Dann Craigg in Bender Publication "Military Advisor", Spring
2006 issue, (ISBN 1055-5919). "So what did happen to the
Blood Flag? George Lincoln Rockwell claimed the Flag was in
a safe deposit box in Chile awaiting the "Great Day." Others
think it was most likely destroyed in one of the [bomb] raids
and others are convinced it was sent back to the United States
by a relic-hunting GI. Jakob Grimminger claimed, this is unattested,
that the Flag was destroyed in one of the bombings." This
work credits my 1996 online published Blood Flag information.

3. "Selling Hitler - The Extraordinary Story of the Con Job of the
Century - The Faking of The Hitler "Diaries", by Robert Harris,
1986 (ISBN 0-394-55336-5). Blood Flag pages 160-1, 274. "...
Kujan passed off as the "Blood Flag" the famous symbol of
Hitler's abortive beer hall putsch of 1923, ... was simply an
ordinary swastika banner - of which there are thousands in
existence - to which Kujan had added his usual forged authentication.
... a note: 'As the condition of the flag has suffered greatly in the
years of confiscation it is shown in the flag hall of the Brownhouse
behind glass. According to the wishes of the Fuhrer.' Page 164,
"I have succeeded in securing ... the Blood Flag, still in its original
case with the memorial plaque to the fallen of 1923. In my view
these relics of the National Socialist movement, should at the very
least, be kept in a safe place by reliable men."

4. "The Blood Flag", a novel by James W. Huston. 2015 (ISBN:
978-1-5046-6962-7). "The Blood Flag was last seen on October 18,
1944, when Heinrich Himmler displayed it proudly as he commissioned
the Volkssturm, the Nazi Party's new militia created to avert the certain
defeat that awaited Germany.Hitler believed the Blood Flag, Blutfahne,
carried sacred powers. It held the blood of the first Nazi martyrs, those
killed in the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich in 1923, when Hitler first tried
to take over Germany. Several Nazis were shot and fell onto the flag,
pouring their blood into the already red fabric. That flag-with a white
circle and a black swastika in the middle-still lives. Kyle Morrissey, a
special agent for the FBI, travels to Europe with his father to see him
receive the Legion of Honor from France for his service at Normandy.
But after the ceremony, while traveling through Germany, Kyle and his
family encounter neo-Nazis perpetuating the evil philosophy he thought
his father's generation had ended once and for all. Kyle soon discovers
that tens of thousands are ready to raise the swastika once more and
renew the hatred of the thirties and forties. Baffled and furious, Kyle
embarks on a personal mission to bring down the movement. But how?
In trying to understand the history of Nazism, Kyle learns of the Blood
Flag and knows it is the key to his success. From DC to Dresden to
Recklinghausen and Argentina, the Blood Flag leads Kyle on a worldwide
race in an attempt to end international Nazism for good." Book starts
out with the Blood Flag last seen in WW2 date anomaly, see post #11
[in WAF t=846523]. But then again this book is just a work of fiction.

OFW

[Vexillologe]

They posted nothing about a source. I'll ask them and keep you informed.

[oldflagswanted]

Blood Flag BSL today location source ???

In a text of the Bavarian State Library it is believed
that the flag today is at a collector in Northern Germany.
[and]
They posted nothing about a source. I'll ask them and
keep you informed.

I look forward to hearing their answer.
OFW

[oldflagswanted]

Blood Flag tear showing ...

Another view showing the Blood Flag front side
swastika arm major tear. As per my post #7, the
tear appears to vary in size over time, likely due
to extended use in the wind at multiple parades.
OFW

[all1knew]

Hypothetical, but if somebody ever did come across the blood flag, would they even know it? Are there any markings or things that would make it stand out to any other flag of the period?

William Kramer