NSDAP SS & SA Sturmbannfahnen - Battalion Flags

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How about working up some basic information
on NSDAP SA/SS Sturmbannfahnen? Such as:
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1. How many SS & SA Battalion Flags where there?
2. How many are known to have survived until today?
3. What are the rarest and/or most exotic examples?
4. What are the earliest and last known examples?
5. What did the SA Leibstandarte units do? (Not the SS!)
6. Why were multiple SA unit flag corner patches used?
7. Are all SS unit flag examples of a single corner patch type?
8. Mollo SS book says General SS unit flags were used for
...some Waffen SS unit oath takings, etc.? True?
9. Any SS battlion flags known in Russia other than LAH DE?
10. Two SS-SBF patterns known, some characteristics...
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[Robin Lumsden]

A lot of this information is already available in Ulric's book on the DE Standard.

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Info about SA/SS Battalion flags not DE Regimentals...

A lot of this information is already available in Ulric's book on the DE Standard.

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The Ulric/Bender book has lots of DE regimental standarte banner info, but very little on the larger three sided fringed battalion flags, especially on the SA corner patch unit flag types (sturmbannfahnen). Thus this thread about same, with the hope that others have even more questions about these flags which each NSDAP soldier's oath was sworn on! And in that regard
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[oldflagswanted]

SS/SA Battalion Flag Pole Tops...

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...on the larger three sided ... battalion flags, especially on the SA corner patch unit flag types (sturmbannfahnen)...[I] hope that others have even more questions about these flags...

Have in my collection only a couple of the SS/SA sturmbannfahne pole tops - a the long narrow point to ball type. My SA example is unit marked "1/L",
from the 1st battalion SA-Leibstandarte! Anyone know more about the history of the SA-Leibstandarte?<center><img src=http://members.tripod.com/~oldflagswanted/ss3.jpg>
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more about SS Battalion Flags...Price &amp; patterns

How about working up some basic information
on NSDAP SA/SS Sturmbannfahnen? Such as...
10. Two SS-SBF patterns known, some characteristics...

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I understand that recently a complete SS battalion flag
in fine condition complete with pole and pole top sold for 5,000
EUROs. The flag was the 3rd battalion 55th General SS Foot
Regiment, and thus had III/55 on the black corner patch, a
first pattern flag with heavy corner patch silver cord, a static
swastika, and exposed silver metal wire in base of the black fringe.
The Second pattern SS battalion flags had a narrow silver cord
around corner patch edge, mobile swastika, and silver wire showing
only in the black twist fringe strands not in the fringe edging! About
a dozen or so SS battalion flags still exist, so they are much rarer
than the German Army unit flags - have never seen or heard of one in
a Russian museum! The Russians have the LAH DE type standarte, but
none of the LAH sturmbannfahnen battalion flags, which is kind of odd
when you think about it? In Mollo's SS book series he says that even the General SS battalion flags were later carried into the field and used by
the new Waffen SS troops for taking their raised hand soldiers oath
to Hitler, so this may explain why not many survived the war! Of course
the main Waffen VT-SS and Totenkopf units had their own SS battalion flags with SS lighting bolts or Death Head Skull in their corner patch, these being the rarest SS battalion flags to find! <center><a href=http://www.oldflagswanted.com>OldFlagsWanted.com</a></center><center><img src=http://members.tripod.com/~oldflagswanted/nzflgwav.gif></center>

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When SA Corner patch flags first appeared ???

I note in Jill Halcomb's SA book, that she says that the SA collar tabs came into existance on 15 April 1927 starting with the Munich SA, so maybe that is when the flags also began to have the similar corner patches on same?
Anyone have any photos showing a SS/SA corner patch flag before 1927?
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[Erich B.]

I don't have many pre-1927 photos of the SA, and tabs weren't in wide use until later, but the early photos of flags do not have unit patches, and there were many individualized designs as well used early on. It appears most units carried a simple, often homemade, swastika flag.
Erich

[JoeW]

One of the SA Leibstandarte Fahne with white L on blue patch came through a shop in our town some years ago. It was an early flag of not great quality cloth.

[Mark C. Yerger]

Some of the drawings only flags shown in Mollo's books have been proven. I've had photos of the reconnaissance SS/VT flag on parade in 2 of my books with "AA" patch.

Mark C. Yerger