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[J. M. C.]

Was this a good one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-1923-Turn...item3368ca3ad8

What do you guys think?

[oldflagswanted]

TB flag ???

Was this a good one? ...
What do you guys think?

IMO. Odd funky eagle & added (?) swaz on a Weimar tricolor.
OFW

[Doug Kenwright]

There was a pre war tinny with this exact set up that was produced for the TB pre 1933.

http://www.dutchmilitaria.com/produc...-eagle-tinnie/

[J. M. C.]

That's how it came up. I was looking for the 1922 badge and it came up in a search. The eagle did look a bit odd.

There was a pre war tinny with this exact set up that was produced for the TB pre 1933.

http://www.dutchmilitaria.com/produc...-eagle-tinnie/

[Doug Kenwright]

For $105.00, it would have been worth it to take a gamble..!

[oldflagswanted]

"take a gamble" ???

For $105.00, it would have been worth it to take a gamble..!

DK:
Hard to argue with that.
OFW

[coco bandy]

Why on earth would they use the post war German colours on a weimar era flag?

[J. M. C.]

These colors would be ok on a Weimar era flag.

[paulj]

Here's some info on the use of black, red and gold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...urs_of_Germany

Beautiful, all original flag sold for a fraction of its value. What is interesting about the TB history is its association with the racial and nationalistic tendencies of the right wing parties even before WW1 that carried through the Weimar era. This flag is emblazoned with "Rassenreinheit, Volkeseinheit, Geistesfreiheit" or racial purity, united people, and spirtual freedom.

The flag's swastika is actually a convenient derivation of the Father Jahn's FFFF insignia. The four F's stood for his tenants of athleticism: frisch, fromm, fröhlich, frei, or Fresh, Pious, Happy and Free. Jahn's concept of physical culture as an expression of nationalism evolved over the decades after his death in the mid-19th century. The FFFF in runic form and the eagle with sword emblem reflect a militaristic and Germanic racial foundation for nationalistic idealism.

[oldflagswanted]

b/r/g use ???

...black, red and gold. ...What is interesting about the TB history
is its association with the racial and nationalistic tendencies of the
right wing parties even before WW1 that carried through the
Weimar era. ...

Indeed interesting info about use of b/r/g colours, thanks.
I wouldn't mind having a vintage 1848 revolution example.
As close as I've come so far is a dug relic 1848 pole top.
OFW

PS/ As noted elsewhere online about TB-TV politics...
"Turnverein was at one time a "Gymnastic Army" (<cite>Turnerschar</cite>) to
supplement the National Guard, gymnasts manned barricades and
participated in crucial fighting during revolutions. Early in the rev-
olutionary period, the <cite>Turnverein</cite><cite></cite> clubs also participated in the
veneration of Robert Blum, who had been killed by counter-revolutionary
forces in Vienna, by holding services in his honor, marching in memorial
parades, and helping to raise money for his family. The <cite>Turnverein</cite> as
an organization was most closely associated with the uprisings in Baden,
the center of the radical sentiment in southwest Germany. Gymnasts had
been among the defenders of the city of Freiburg in early disturbances in the
province in April 1848. In the late spring and early summer of 1849, violence
erupted again and brought about some of the most prolonged fighting of the
revolutionary period. After agitation for a democratic nation-state had forced
the Grand Duke to flee, other German states, led by Prussia, sent in troops to
crush the movement. The gymnastic organization of the Rhineland province of
Hanau organized a march to Baden to defend the province. Although this force
gathered around 600 men along the way, it was poorly armed and led and
easily outmatched by the regular armies it encountered. About 240 survivors
of this effort managed to cross into neighboring Switzerland, where they
received a hero's welcome from Swiss gymnasts and students. The aftermath
of the 1848 revolutions devastated the German gymnastic movement. Clubs
were disbanded, property confiscated and leaders lost to jail or exile. The various
attempts to form a union of gymnastic clubs likewise fell victim to the Reaction.
In these circumstances, the <cite>Turnverein</cite> turned away from politics to concentrate
on its gymnastic program. It was only with the revival of the drive for German
unification in the late 1860s, that the gymnastic movement rediscovered its
purpose and was able to regain he momentum of the revolutionary era."...
"took arms against Denmark in the conflict over Schleswig-Holstein. Although
soon defeated, their actions won praise from moderates in the organization
who contrasted their "unpolitical" dedication to the cause of the nation with
the more radical social and political programs of gymnasts in other regions.
Exemplifying this latter trend were the gymnasts in the mob that murdered
Prince Felix Lichnowsky and General Hans von Auerswald in Frankfurt in Sep-
tember 1848, during a popular protest against the armistice with Denmark,
and those who fought, often in the club uniform, to defend the city of Dresden
against Prussian forces in May 1849."

[J. M. C.]

Looks like ebay lost a seller...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=528444

cjs dad,
You will get better money here. Glad you started putting your items up on estand. It must have hurt to sell the TurnerBund banner that low.

[cjs dad]

Banner was $800 at MAX in 2001 so yes, hurt a bit........

[paulj]

Ouch... Please start a thread and show your collection! These flags are incredibly beautiful in their workmanship. They are definitely under-appreciated.