who made the flags ???

Hello gww2p:
IMO, a WW2 made RKF with "original" markings.
RKF material correct , color shade and sewing is OK,
with KM spec rope and corner supports, thus the eagle-M.
OFW

Hey OFW i've seen that your the professor of the flags. Do you know where to buy an original Kriegsmarine flag at a reasonable price?

[oldflagswanted]

Ot10. NSKOV pole top

Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 12-07-10 update, real count=40 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 22 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed
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........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
(below) Photos from previous WAF thread t=458060

[darrenbate]

Has anybody ever come across the flag maker
J. E .W ,Hellgardt A-G Konigsberg i/Prussia
Thanks

[oldflagswanted]

Prussia maker ???

...ever come across the flag maker
J. E .W ,Hellgardt A-G Konigsberg i/Prussia
Thanks

Have not seen that one, do post
a photo if you have an example.
OFW

[oldtrcollector]

NSKOV Pole Topper for comments

I have this mint NSKOV topper. There is no maker's mark, but there is an RZM # M3/27. Can anybody tell me who that maker is? I looked, but could not find it. Also I want to know if you hopefully share my opinion, that this is a genuine topper. Thanks

[oldtrcollector]

Snafu

I think I posted this item in the wrong area. So disregard it.

[oldflagswanted]

about RZM M3/27 ???

I have this mint NSKOV topper. There is no maker's mark,
but there is an RZM # M3/27. Can anybody tell me who
that maker is? I looked, but could not find it. Also I want
to know if you hopefully share my opinion, that this is a
genuine topper. Thanks

Hello OTRC:
Per WAF thread t=282667 and t=2012159 "maker
RZM M3/27 = Schmidt Söhne J.H Isarlohen". But
those examples have deeper stamped RZM M3/27.
OFW

[oldtrcollector]

drill holes

Would you be kind enough to show the drill holes of the one on the left? I mentioned in my other thread that I just saw an example EXACTLY like mine on a website called "Antiques, Arms, & Armor"

[oldflagswanted]

about pole top mounting holes ???

...show the drill holes ...in my other thread
... just saw an example EXACTLY like mine
on a website ...

Try the search function for more photos from the
previously cited WAF M3/27 RZM pole top threads.
OFW

(above) Your pole mounting holes show unfinished drill bit chamfer.
(below) Your other thread cited NSDAP eagle top mounting hole.

[oldtrcollector]

How about the RZM stampings? They seem identical.

[oldtrcollector]

Try the search function for more photos from the
previously cited WAF M3/27 RZM pole top threads.
OFW

(above) Your pole mounting holes show unfinished drill bit chamfer.
(below) Your other thread cited NSDAP eagle top mounting hole.

How did you right click the photos from that website? I couldn't do it, but I'd like to know how. I guess that is not a very effective deterent to image stealing, if people can defeat it. Can yoiu do Collector's guild, too? Meanwhile could you download the RZM marking from that website & paste it here? Thanks Bill

[oldflagswanted]

M3/27 comparison ???

...could you download the RZM marking ...& paste it here?
Thanks Bill

Bill:
Here is the requested comparison of two lightly stamped
M3/27 pole top base markings, showing some differences,
such as the "Z" letter position, and the "7" top angle, etc.
Post #127 deeper stampings are more desired examples.
OFW

[oldtrcollector]

So is mine fake? Or just a light strike? The rest of it looks ok, or do you see a problem there, too?

[oldflagswanted]

NSKOV top comparison ???

So is mine fake? Or just a light strike? The rest of it looks ok,
or do you see a problem there, too?

Rest looks OK, usually fakes have casting flaws, glob
leaves, etc. But likely your mounting holes were modified.
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........

.........(below) yours left, post # 122 example shown right.........

[oldtrcollector]

Rest looks OK, usually fakes have casting flaws, glob
leaves, etc. But likely your mounting holes were modified.
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........

.........(below) yours left, post # 122 example shown right.........

To be completely honest with you I wondered why those holes were so "un-German" It seems odd. Thanks for all the info. Bill