who made the flags ???

[oldflagswanted]

DE list update...

DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD
..... OFW .....
..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
I estimate that maybe two dozen DE's (~3%) have
survived WW2, from the ~716 made. Of the across
mount pole versions there were 449 SA and 108 SS.
One of the rarest DE's survives in Russia, the SS-LAH.
716 DE presentations from t=252401
(count includes also other than
just across pole mounted types)
1923 4 SA *
1926 8 SA *
1927 12 SA *
1929 24 SA *
1931 24 SA *
1933 118 SA 8 SS *
1934 126 SA 75 SS *
1935 36 SS 40 SS 28 NSKK *
1936 25 SA 3 SS 35 NSKK *
1937 30 SA 1 SS 34 NSKK 1 Polizei *
1938 42 SS 14 SS 21 NSKK 16 NSFK *
1942 1 SA (Fritz Todt, reused Munich-II cloth - OFW type 1)
Totals are 449 SA, 141 SS, 118 NSKK, 1 Polizei, 16 NSFK.
(* according To Daten Der Geschichte Der Nsdap)

................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 02-11-14 update, real count=54 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) DE4. SA Salzkammergut, WAF t=705220

[Lughi-76]

My flag

Hello has all, I've read the various posts, are very technical!
I have a problem with a flag that I do not know what year it is?
Can you help?

[oldflagswanted]

Imo ...

...I have a problem with a flag that
I do not know what year it is?
Can you help?

Hello Lughi-76:
If you are asking about an Imperial German
War Flag (IKF), it is IMO a 3rd Reich era made
example (i.e., 1933-1945) based on design,
material, construction, and Eagle "M" marking.
OFW
(below) 3rd Reich era made IKF in question?

[Lughi-76]

My Flag

Thank you, so it might be true at the time?
Excuse my lack of Acquaintances in the field but what exactly does IMO and OFW?
Who sold me the flag is said that a Reichskriegsflagge Kaiserliche Marine U-Boot? And 'possible?
I cut a wire sticking out of the seams is I burned!
SEEMED TO PLASTIC burned quickly without leaving ashes.
Then from a tear of the flag I made another thread is I've burnt!
SEEMED TO PLASTIC burned quickly without leaving ashes.
Apart from that I am not convinced the manufacturer's plate.
What neither think? WESTDEUTSCHE could be after 1945?

[oldflagswanted]

[2] IMO = In My Opinion

You wrote:
1] ...so it might be true at the time?
2] ...what exactly does IMO and OFW?
3] ...flag is ...Reichskriegsflagge Kaiserliche Marine U-Boot?
4] ...burned quickly without leaving ashes.
5] ...WESTDEUTSCHE could be after 1945?

Hello again:
[1] The IKF was likely made circa 1939, based
on the KM eagle with swastika over "M" stamp.
Flag has typical 3rd Reich era construction, and
was made for use on battle day commemorations.
[3] The flag is NOT a WW1 era German U-Boat flag.
[4] Post WW2 synthetic would burn to hard black ball.
[5] BONN maker tag is IMO pre-1945, and does NOT
mean the flag was made in after WW2 West Germany.
[2] OFW = OldFlagsWanted

[Lughi-76]

My Flag

Thanks again, the explanation is better than an 'encyclopedia!
While not holding the flag is 100% safe on his originality?
The manufacturer's plate is referred to as factory?
In addition there is the measure on the flag 80 135 why the other of the Third Reich have Es. 80x135?

[Thomas Craig]

Hello again:
[1] The IKF was likely made circa 1939, based
on the KM eagle with swastika over "M" stamp.
Flag has typical 3rd Reich era construction, and
was made for use on battle day commemorations.
[3] The flag is NOT a WW1 era German U-Boat flag.
[4] Post WW2 synthetic would burn to hard black ball.
[5] BONN maker tag is IMO pre-1945, and does NOT
mean the flag was made in after WW2 West Germany.
[2] OFW = OldFlagsWanted

Railroad track on header and stitching would seem to indicate TR era manufacture but I have never seen one (TR manufacture that is) that looks so bad!! The eagle is just horrible! It's just not even close, even for a TR flag. I would suggest that perhaps it is indeed a post World War 2 copy.

Wouldn't mind having a better look at the naval acceptance stamp.

[oldflagswanted]

further reply...

...the flag is 100% safe on his originality?
The manufacturer's plate is referred to as factory?
In addition there is the measure on the flag 80 135
why the other of the Third Reich have Es. 80x135?

Lughi-76:
Yes, IMO the IKF was pre-1945 made.
Yes, BONN label was the flag factory.
Yes, 80-135 size marking is OK IMO.
OFW
(below) 3rd Reich IKF construction details, post #273 flag.

[Nische]

Kurt (Curt) Brautigam RKF flags

I believe this is a maker marked Kurt Brautigan flag; however, I'm a bit confused. Are these RKF flags considered period/original?

[Nische]

Additional photo (Kurt Brautigam) flag.

[Nische]

Two additional photos

[oldflagswanted]

Kurt Bräutigam maker info ???

I believe this is a maker marked Kurt Brautigan flag; however,
I'm a bit confused. Are these RKF flags considered period/original?

Hello Nische:
RKF shown, and recently sold on WAF e-stand, is IMO
a WW2 made flag, based on material and construction,
and as well on authentic period markings too. ie., maker
in question did make flags during WW2. However, that
maker marking has also been used on fake flags too,
thus there are both "real" and "fake" example listings...
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., t=442400, real RKF.
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., on fake SS, RKF, & HJ.
..... OFW .....
..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)

[Nische]

Thank you OFW for your informative response. This is my first flag purchase, and quite excited to add it to my growing collection.

[oldflagswanted]

Thank you OFW for your informative response.
This is my first flag purchase, and quite excited
to add it to my growing collection.

Nische:
Congratulations on your first flag purchase.
The $360 e-stand price was a good deal too.
My first flag from back in 1970 was also a RKF.
OFW
(below) From previously on the WAF...
the market place "Pricing Guide Information" for RKF's ... <table border="1"><tbody><tr><td>Year</td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2006 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2007 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2008 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2009 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2010 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2011 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2012 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2013 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2014 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2015 </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e">Value </td> <td> $300.00 </td> <td> $375.00 </td> <td> $420.00 </td> <td> $440.00 </td> <td> $470.00 </td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> Availability </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> Invest Grade </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> (above) from http://quanonline.com/military/milit...flags/navy.php

[Thomas Craig]

Lughi-76:
Yes, IMO the IKF was pre-1945 made.
Yes, BONN label was the flag factory.
Yes, 80-135 size marking is OK IMO.
OFW
(below) 3rd Reich IKF construction details, post #273 flag.

Sorry OFW....I'm not convinced. I have never seen stitching like that on a TR flag, the cross stitching around the header ends just don't look right to me, and (again) the eagle is so far off that I can't imagine any manufacturer making these flags during the TR period be so off.

Besides, the flag has a naval stamp, right? These flags were only used for parades and on German vessels on the anniversary of the Battle of Skagerrak....so why would it have a acceptance stamp from the military? Those were only given for "official" military use.

Gotta disagree with you on this one. It's a poor post-war era fake.