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**Thomas Craig** · 04-12-2013, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Thomas Craig View Post

Photos...This is the 50x85 flag. Both flags are in meters.

entire flag

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**Thomas Craig** · 04-14-2013, 07:23 PM

Anyone want to comment?

**oldflagswanted** · 04-15-2013, 07:48 AM

Imo ...

Originally posted by Thomas Craig View Post

...comment?

Hello TC:
IMO, your post #211 0.5x0.85 RKF indeed
appears to be a nice WW2 period made flag.
Correct material, construction, header with
what looks like "rail track" woven edge, and
markings less specific maker company name.

OFW

(below) Period use photo example...

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**Thomas Craig** · 04-15-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post

Hello TC:
IMO, your post #211 0.5x0.85 RKF indeed
appears to be a nice WW2 period made flag.
Correct material, construction, header with
what looks like "rail track" woven edge, and
markings less specific maker company name.

OFW

(below) Period use photo example...

Thanks OFW....I guess no way to determine maker by the stitching. Probably will never know.

Again...many thanks!

**oldflagswanted** · 04-20-2013, 03:44 PM

#51

51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-----------------( 4-20-13 update, real count=51 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238

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**oldflagswanted** · 05-06-2013, 11:00 AM

Fk7b/c

Fk7b. NSKK M-76, Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 5-06-13 update, real count=51 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.

Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490

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**Thomas Craig** · 05-11-2013, 10:31 AM

Would this be the proper place to post an kaiserliche marine flag question?

**oldflagswanted** · 05-11-2013, 02:08 PM

"wmtf" related questions ???

Originally posted by Thomas Craig View Post

Would this be the proper place to post
an kaiserliche marine flag question?

TC:
The "wmtf" thread focus is on the identification of
flag makers and authenticity based on markings,
material, size, and flag construction. A new thread
on the WAF flag forum will likely get you more WAF
member comments than posting your question to
here on the "wmtf" pinned thread. And if the new
thread content has "wmtf" type information, it will
be referenced and included in later "wmtf" updates.
OFW

**Thomas Craig** · 05-11-2013, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post

TC:
The "wmtf" thread focus is on the identification of
flag makers and authenticity based on markings,
material, size, and flag construction. A new thread
on the WAF flag forum will likely get you more WAF
member comments than posting your question to
here on the "wmtf" pinned thread. And if the new
thread content has "wmtf" type information, it will
be referenced and included in later "wmtf" updates.
OFW

Copy that.....I'll get some photos together and start a new thread. I have a naval marked Imperial flag that is marked as a "gaffel flg" along with size and is stenciled SMS kruezer EMS. I believe it is the flag from the SMS Arcona.

**oldflagswanted** · 05-24-2013, 02:43 AM

Fk3b., fake 90x150 RKF's

Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, ...
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 5-24-13 update, real count=51 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639

Fk3b(example 2). Fake RKF, 90x150, *OFW, t=671639 post #11.

**oldflagswanted** · 05-26-2013, 08:49 PM

Fk4b., NS Soldatenbund marking...

Fk4b. NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW from t=509449
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 5-26-13 update, real count=51 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
Fk4b. NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW from t=509449

**oldflagswanted** · 05-28-2013, 05:08 AM

Fk7d. addition ...

Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 5-28-13 update, real count=51 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW

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**oldflagswanted** · 06-10-2013, 02:29 AM

#3d after WW2 and #52 WW2 update

3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 6-10-13 update, real count=52 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47.
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, posts 223/224,
real, but from after WW2, reported as Flottenstander from Officer of
Bundesmarine S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770

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