HJ Bannfahne

[JUNGCO]

Ok, Cracked, if this is so wrong, what is right. I do not know a lot about flags and this forum is here so us uneducated can learn. Can you help?
Jeff

[Cracked]

Ok, Cracked, if this is so wrong, what is right. I do not know a lot about flags and this forum is here so us uneducated can learn. Can you help?
Jeff

Hey Jeff,

Sorry but not here on WAF. Been there... If you are interested in Hitler Youth stuff and want fact rather than opinion and fact rather than "personality", I wholeheartedly recommend the HJ forum. Cut and paste the stuff that I mentioned in one of my earlier posts (the dealer description that OFW and Mr Saris(!) think is fine) and you'll get a critique based in fact.

[wilhelm Saris]

what do I do to have with the dealer-description, cracked? I do not have interest to read it even, so why trying me to be involved!
Why "sending" people to the HJ-forum. If you know tell it here at WAF. I consider you to be a "Besserwisser" and grumbler and
with such people I will not go into a discussion!

[oldflagswanted]

List addition ...

HJ & DJ BF list, 16 June 2019
Survived WW2 HJ/DJ Bannfahnen, confirmed by photo (*) list.
Total on WAF server HJ/DJ-BF photo count = 14 so far, more to come...
H1....HJ-BF #236, framed one sided, from WAF thread t=463860, photo
....... by Hawesj(*),(location) Duisburg-Nord/ Ruhr-Niederrhein/ West
H2....HJ-BF #434, JH(*) via another collector. (location) ???
H3....HJ-BF #99, from WAF t=215502 , GE(*), (location) Ruhr-Ennepe/
....... Westfalen/ West
H4....HJ-BF #274, from WAF t=949930, M35(*), (location) ???
H5....HJ-BF #341, from WAF t=949930, joecool(*), (location) ???
H6....HJ-BF #545 & oe27, WS(*), (location) Südost Steiermark, HQ at Graz.
H7....HJ-BF #426, WS(*), (location) dist. 29, Süd-Württemberg, Horb HQ.
H8....HJ-BF #188, joecool(*), (location) Hamburg Germany, 10K Euros.
H9....HJ-BF #505, joecool(*), (location) Wienerwald Austria, 13K Euros.
H10...HJ-BF #238, WW2GM.com(*), (location) Kleve-Geldern
........Ruth Niederrhein West, $9K USD. Ref: WAF t=7502515 p3.
H11..HJ-BF #446, OFW-computer files(*), (Location) ???
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D1....DJ-BF Guatemala, OFW(*), (Location) Stuttgart AO HQ 1945 captured.
D2....DJ-BF Paraguay, OFW(*), (Location) "...", Ref: WAF t=725376.
D3....DJ-BF 1/77, OFW-cf(*), offered online 25 Oct 2010 $5400 USD.
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Note(a): HJ/DJ Bann flag total made joecool estimate = 2580
Note(b): For more on AO HJ/DJ-BF see Bender Military Advisor
magazine OFW article (Winter 1994/95 Vol-6, #1 issue).
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OFW
(below) D3 photos.

[Joe B]

I found a photo of Bann Osterreich , This is the only photo I know of it .

[oldflagswanted]

Thanks !!!

I found a photo of Bann Osterreich ,
This is the only photo I know of it .

jc:
Thanks for your nice addition.
HJ & DJ BF list, 20 June 2019
Survived WW2 HJ/DJ Bannfahnen, confirmed by photo (*) list.
Total on WAF server HJ/DJ-BF photo count = 14 so far, more to come...
H1....HJ-BF #236, framed one sided, from WAF thread t=463860, photo
....... by Hawesj(*),(location) Duisburg-Nord/ Ruhr-Niederrhein/ West
H2....HJ-BF #434, JH(*) via another collector. (location) ???
H3....HJ-BF #99, from WAF t=215502 , GE(*), (location) Ruhr-Ennepe/
....... Westfalen/ West
H4....HJ-BF #274, from WAF t=949930, M35(*), (location) ???
H5....HJ-BF #341, from WAF t=949930, joecool(*), (location) ???
H6....HJ-BF #545 & oe27, WS(*), (location) Südost Steiermark, HQ at Graz.
H7....HJ-BF #426, WS(*), (location) dist. 29, Süd-Württemberg, Horb HQ.
H8....HJ-BF #188, joecool(*), (location) Hamburg Germany, 10K Euros.
H9....HJ-BF #505, joecool(*), (location) Wienerwald Austria, 13K Euros.
H10...HJ-BF #238, WW2GM.com(*), (location) Kleve-Geldern
........Ruth Niederrhein West, $9K USD. Ref: WAF t=7502515 p3.
H11...HJ-BF #446, OFW-computer files(*), (Location) ???
H12...HJ-BF Osterreich, joecool(*), (location) ???
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D1....DJ-BF Guatemala, OFW(*), (Location) Stuttgart AO HQ 1945 captured.
D2....DJ-BF Paraguay, OFW(*), (Location) "...", Ref: WAF t=725376.
D3....DJ-BF 1/77, OFW-cf(*), offered online 25 Oct 2010 $5400 USD.
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Note(a): HJ/DJ Bann flag total made joecool estimate = 2580
Note(b): For more on AO HJ/DJ-BF see Bender Military Advisor
magazine OFW article (Winter 1994/95 Vol-6, #1 issue).
******************************************
OFW

[Cracked]

what do I do to have with the dealer-description, cracked? I do not have interest to read it even, so why trying me to be involved!
Why "sending" people to the HJ-forum. If you know tell it here at WAF. I consider you to be a "Besserwisser" and grumbler and
with such people I will not go into a discussion!

Well, all I will say is that if you cannot see the errors in that dealer description then you are not the researcher that I thought you were. WAF is a great forum but with my interest being HJ, BDM etc I prefer a forum that devotes itself exclusively to those things and this is why I would always direct interested parties to the HJ Forum.

[Cracked]

joecool estimate = 2580

Interesting. Can I see the source for Joecool's figure? You haven't questioned it but I see no quoted source...?

[Joe B]

Interesting. Can I see the source for Joecool's figure? You haven't questioned it but I see no quoted source...?

" Cracked " If you have read the postings before this , you will see that this is just an estimate . If you do your own research and look at the HJ Research Forums Bann number list From 1934 and then after the change over to some of the Bann designations from letters to numbers and add in all the newer Banns until 1942 , and dont forget both the HJ Bannfahnes and the DJ Jungbannfahnes ( You have to count both , HJ and DJ ... so X 2 ) ... then you will see how I came to my "estimate" . I could be wrong mind you , however ; as one of the few HJ Research Forums founding members since it was first activated in 2009 and a moderator on said HJ Research Forum , I believe I might be one of the few who has actually done an estimated calculation on this subject .

[wilhelm Saris]

Well, all I will say is that if you cannot see the errors in that dealer description then you are not the researcher that I thought you were. WAF is a great forum but with my interest being HJ, BDM etc I prefer a forum that devotes itself exclusively to those things and this is why I would always direct interested parties to the HJ Forum.

as I said before, persons as you I do not discuss with. You pretend to be a person with a lot of knowledge, but? Show you have
some knowledge and let us see you are indeed a "crack"!
Get on with your life! I am not interested in discussions with a dweller.
What have you done for the community? I at least tried to write a booklet about the HJ subject.

[Ron Weinand]

This is why I avoid the HJ Forum

[helmuthunter]

Hey Jeff,

Sorry but not here on WAF. Been there... If you are interested in Hitler Youth stuff and want fact rather than opinion and fact rather than "personality", I wholeheartedly recommend the HJ forum. Cut and paste the stuff that I mentioned in one of my earlier posts (the dealer description that OFW and Mr Saris(!) think is fine) and you'll get a critique based in fact.

Please. Go back there and stay there. We don’t want you or your “expert opinion”...

[Cracked]

This is why I avoid the HJ Forum

You were kicked off that forum for wilful obfuscation (I put that as nicely as I could...). That's why you avoid it

[Cracked]

Please. Go back there and stay there. We don’t want you or your “expert opinion”...

You don't know me or my credentials. Wim Saris does though which is why I can't understand why he is happy for OFW to legitimise trashy dealer half-truths. That shouldn't be allowed yet here it is tolerated.

[helmuthunter]

You don't know me or my credentials. Wim Saris does though which is why I can't understand why he is happy for OFW to legitimise trashy dealer half-truths. That shouldn't be allowed yet here it is tolerated.

The terms Troll and pest come to mind....