NSDAP pole topper for review

[STLMatt]

This bird is on an auction site
We’ve all seen recast pieces with this same design in aluminum, cast iron etc
It never shows up as a known example
Any opinions on this style???

[oldflagswanted]

Previously on the WAF ...

This bird is on an auction site
We’ve all seen recast pieces with this
same design in aluminum, cast iron etc
It never shows up as a known example
Any opinions on this style???

Hello STLMatt:
IMO, a nice early design, called by some
the true and rare 2nd pattern NSDAP type.
........OFW

[mloppkit]

Hello STLMatt:
IMO, a nice early design, called by some
the true and rare 2nd pattern NSDAP type.
........OFW

Hi STLMatt,

As OFW says, nice example of an early (Type 1 to some or a Type 2 to others) NSDAP Pole top. These have been discussed previously here on the WAF.

Watch 'Triumph of the Will' to see many of these in action - the movie is an absolute 'Flag-Fest'- and also shows many nice pole toppers,

Cheers,
Michael

[oldflagswanted]

Imo ...

Hi STLMatt,

As OFW says, nice example of an early (Type 1 to some
or a Type 2 to others) NSDAP Pole top. These have been
discussed previously here on the WAF.

Watch 'Triumph of the Will' to see many of these in action -
the movie is an absolute 'Flag-Fest'- and also shows many
nice pole toppers,

Cheers,
Michael

Michael:
Great to see again the TOTW flag top screen
captures. Unlike as with the Planet Pluto, IMO the
redefining of the NSDAP eagle top types is just too
esoteric a subject to get any collector consensus on.
In any case the RZM 60 photo of the NSDAP eagle
top shown in post #1b is a delight to see & ponder.
.......OFW

[Br. James]

Can we get a close-up of the marking toward the bottom of the pole cup on the lower photo in note #1?

Many thanks,

Br. James

[STLMatt]

Marking

[STLMatt]

Triumph of the Will was released in 1935
This variant is marked 1940

[glock26]

maker

Triumph of the Will was released in 1935
This variant is marked 1940

sorry but the rzm mark m3/40 - indicates the maker, i.e. the firm of Gebrüder Cosack of Neheim.

if it had a third number e.g. m3/40/38 - the third number would indicate that it was made in 1938 by maker m3/40 the firm of Gebrüder Cosack of Neheim.

cheers, del.

[STLMatt]

sorry but the rzm mark m3/40 - indicates the maker, i.e. the firm of Gebrüder Cosack of Neheim.

if it had a third number e.g. m3/40/38 - the third number would indicate that it was made in 1938 by maker m3/40 the firm of Gebrüder Cosack of Neheim.

cheers, del.

Correct
I typed that before I realized it

[oldflagswanted]

Revised RZM comment ...

... the RZM M3/40 photo on the base of the NSDAP eagle
top shown in post #6 is a delight to see & ponder.
.......OFW

[STLMatt]

Hi STLMatt,

As OFW says, nice example of an early (Type 1 to some or a Type 2 to others) NSDAP Pole top. These have been discussed previously here on the WAF.

Watch 'Triumph of the Will' to see many of these in action - the movie is an absolute 'Flag-Fest'- and also shows many nice pole toppers,

Cheers,
Michael

This type”2” shown here appears to have the same fitting as the type 1 on the bottom.
So why would this supposed type 2 have a cupped bottom, if its that early??
Something is not adding up

[mrec27777]

This type”2” shown here appears to have the same fitting as the type 1 on the bottom.
So why would this supposed type 2 have a cupped bottom, if its that early??
Something is not adding up

i agree ...are we sure this is correct cup? being that it screws on ...also ,are we sure this style topper isn"t supposed to have a (saucer,) between cup and top ?/...another thing that i wonder about ..this eagle looks like like earlier style (ww1) eagles ....could it not be the earliest stye nsdap topper ??/,i am by no means trying to dicredit this bird ,as i feel it is super nice and desirebly ...i"m just stating what i consider to be aquestionable prognosis ...JMHO ...EC

[STLMatt]

i agree ...are we sure this is correct cup? being that it screws on ...also ,are we sure this style topper isn"t supposed to have a (saucer,) between cup and top ?/...another thing that i wonder about ..this eagle looks like like earlier style (ww1) eagles ....could it not be the earliest stye nsdap topper ??/,i am by no means trying to dicredit this bird ,as i feel it is super nice and desirebly ...i"m just stating what i consider to be aquestionable prognosis ...JMHO ...EC

Correct
And if Triumph of the Will was released in 1935
And this topper was in the film
It was produced before the RZM was established in 1936
So I’m wondering about the RZM stamping.
But I would expect the same base as the first pattern NSDAP pole top with the bolt.
And to be marked with nothing, or Ges Gesch.
So it is a contradiction to be “early”
And to see a RZM stamp

[oldflagswanted]

RZM dates to 1928 ...

... the RZM was established in 1936 ...

STLMatt:
I believe "Hitler instructed the SA command in 1928
to establish a Zeugmeisterei in Munich. This office was
responsible for the central supply of all kinds of uniforms,
uniform parts and equipment to members of Nazi organizations.
Further Zeugmeistereien were established in other German cities,
and the quartermaster office in Munich was renamed to
Reichszeugmeisterei, to identify it with its leading role."
..OFW

[STLMatt]

STLMatt:
I believe "Hitler instructed the SA command in 1928
to establish a Zeugmeisterei in Munich. This office was
responsible for the central supply of all kinds of uniforms,
uniform parts and equipment to members of Nazi organizations.
Further Zeugmeistereien were established in other German cities,
and the quartermaster office in Munich was renamed to
Reichszeugmeisterei, to identify it with its leading role."
..OFW

That might be
But it wasn’t the “RZM” it was started in 1936