Opinions sought on NSDAP & Olympic pennant

[Richardxyz]

I recently purchased this pennant, it looks to be from some bunting, manufactured from two pieces, I note a slight bleed of black on one side of the swastika, it measures just over ten inches in length. As it is completely outside of my sphere of collecting I thought I'd seek from advice from those more knowledgeable than myself. Any thoughts most appreciated.

[Richardxyz]

The Olympic pennant

[oldflagswanted]

Imo ...

Opinions sought on NSDAP & Olympic pennant
I recently purchased this pennant, it looks to be
from some bunting, manufactured from two pieces,
I note a slight bleed of black on one side of the
swastika, it measures just over ten inches in length.
As it is completely outside of my sphere of collecting
I thought I'd seek from advice from those more
knowledgeable than myself. Any thoughts most
appreciated.

Hello Richardxyz:
IMO, looks to me like a modern made pennant,
based on the computer embroidered Olympic logo,
& swastika not centered & circle edge poorly sewn.
........OFW

[Richardxyz]

OFW, thanks for your comments. I would welcome any other thoughts before I contact the seller looking for a refund! Starting to wish I had stuck to an area I was familar with when I bought these!

[Richardxyz]

Just a thought but given as the NSDAP looks to have been cut from bunting, is it not possible that the exacting standards of a RZM endorsed pennant would not have been applicable? I might be flogging a dead horse but I thought it worth mentioning.

[oldflagswanted]

Too many 1936 Olympic Pennants ???

Just a thought but given as the NSDAP looks to have
been cut from bunting, is it not possible that the exacting
standards of a RZM endorsed pennant would not have been
applicable? I might be flogging a dead horse but I thought it
worth mentioning.

Interesting comments. A google photo search of Berlin
1936 Olympic pennants seems to show many with like
logo embroidery. None of which I trust as being period
authentic. I'm unable to find a chain stitched example,
which per WAF t=504179 criteria that I'd believe in.
OFW
(below) As noted from elsewhere online. IMO both

[Richardxyz]

OFW thanks again for your input and patience, I am on a steep learning curve here! When I hold the Olympic pennant to the light I can see there are two halves, each independently embroided with the logo. Are you saying your expectation would be that this would have been chain stitched? I presume original pennants such as these would have been souvenirs, with quality not necessarily being paramount. What makes you think it is computer embroidered, what are the obvious signs?

Do you think there is any merit to my earlier point about the NSDAP pennant? I had thought and read that bunting was sometimes produced locally by amateurish hands that led to less than perfect creations.

I don't want to be one of those guys who swears blind everything they've collected is original when in fact it's a pile of junk. But I do want to better understand especially if I want to approach the seller for a refund.

[oldflagswanted]

more on 1936 Olympics pennants ???

OFW thanks again for your input and patience, I am on a steep
learning curve here! When I hold the Olympic pennant to the light
I can see there are two halves, each independently embroided with
the logo. Are you saying your expectation would be that this would
have been chain stitched? I presume original pennants such as these
would have been souvenirs, with quality not necessarily being
paramount. What makes you think it is computer embroidered, what
are the obvious signs?

Do you think there is any merit to my earlier point about the NSDAP
pennant? I had thought and read that bunting was sometimes
produced locally by amateurish hands that led to less than perfect
creations.

I don't want to be one of those guys who swears blind everything
they've collected is original when in fact it's a pile of junk. But I do
want to better understand especially if I want to approach the seller
for a refund.

See my pinned chain stitched thread for examples of
what I consider authentic items. This embroidery type
is what I would recommend as being the desired kind.
Computer controlled embroidery uses close fill pattern
stitching, and this is what I'm seeing on the so called
1936 Berlin Olympics Pennant examples posted so far.
As for the NSDAP side on your pennant, I suspect that
the swastika has been added in a bogus attempt to
place the origin of the pennant in the 3rd Reich era.
OFW

[Richardxyz]

Thanks again for your help, I've read the thread on chain stitching, which was very interesting and I now understand it to be considered the preferred choice due to the skill required to produce thereby making it more difficult to fake en masse. But am I correct in thinking this method is the preferred rather than the only genuine method of stitching used on original items?

In respect of the computer controlled embroidery, would this method not ensure consistency in execution? I noticed on my 'Olympic' pennant the number 6 is not fully closed compared to other examples, including the one you posted, and there are other minor variations I've seen.

As mentioned I don't want to flog a dead horse on this, if they're bad they're bad but I may as well learn something.

[oldflagswanted]

more about embroidery types ???

[Q1] ... I've read the thread on chain stitching, ... and I
now understand it to be considered the preferred choice ...
But am I correct in thinking this method is the preferred
rather than the only genuine method of stitching used
on original items?

[Q2] In respect of the computer controlled embroidery,
would this method not ensure consistency in execution? ...

[A1] CS is my preference to insure period authenticity.
But to each their own in their collecting criteria. Yes,
other than CS embroidery was used, other methods are
harder to period authenticate IMO. Thus my CS thread.

[A2] Lots of small variations exist in computer embroidery
examples, as such modern machines are readily available
due to their low cost. And when I say computer I mean the
PC technology of the last couple of decades.

OFW