rare makers mark MG34? And other...

[Thomas Anf]

So I found this the other day... a barrel jacket for an MG34 from 1936 but without a makers mark, well it has a circle with a star? and a B inside... I have never seen this before. Can anyone cast some light on this mark?

Also I have seen these riffled squares on quite a few barrel jackets. What are they from? Why put them on? They are not to destroy and swastikas

[giorg69]

b is for borsig rheinmetall

[me6_130]

b is for borsig rheinmetall

Yep, I agree. And the other might be to mask WaA eagles or so.

Where did you get the early 36 from? Can you show more pics?

Carles

[Thomas Anf]

borsig rheinmetall of cause! thanks

its a friend of mine who owns it, but I will try and get more pictures

[gurtsack]

Hello, MG34 borsig 1936 is a fake.

[me6_130]

Seems Gurt is right. According to Myrvang's book's lists that 13xx C would have been produced about 1938-39, not 36.

More pics? Any WaA?

Carles

[Thomas Anf]

wow thats well spotted

I'm awaiting more pictures and have requested pictures of all the markings

[gurtsack]

The style of number to the serial number is not good for Borsig.
The style is for dot or Brno

[wandering38]

It’s not a fake. It is a real Rheinmetall Borsig shroud from 1936 that was assembled to a postwar production gun at Brno (the factory that used the code “dot”). The serial number font is the Brno style, and the “c” block production was postwar and mostly (entirely?) sold to the Israelis. This shroud was most likely originally produced as an armorers spare with no serial number. Brno was the last company assembling mg34’s and large stocks of spare parts were sent there in late 1944 and mixed into production.. There are a lot of rare early armorers spare parts mixed into late 1944 / 1945 german guns assembled at Brno, and the immediate postwar Israeli guns as well.

[me6_130]

It’s not a fake. It is a real Rheinmetall Borsig shroud from 1936 that was assembled to a postwar production gun at Brno (the factory that used the code “dot”). The serial number font is the Brno style, and the “c” block production was postwar and mostly (entirely?) sold to the Israelis. This shroud was most likely originally produced as an armorers spare with no serial number. Brno was the last company assembling mg34’s and large stocks of spare parts were sent there in late 1944 and mixed into production.. There are a lot of rare early armorers spare parts mixed into late 1944 / 1945 german guns assembled at Brno, and the immediate postwar Israeli guns as well.

That could be an explanation. Anyhow, I would like to see more pics. Even when an armourers spare, it should have WaA stamps and be a 4 hole if from 1936.

Carles

[wandering38]

That could be an explanation. Anyhow, I would like to see more pics. Even when an armourers spare, it should have WaA stamps and be a 4 hole if from 1936.

Carles

The jacket may not be four hole, after all the jacket unscrews and is easy to swap. With an armorers spare part, there will not be as many waffenamts because the majority of waffenamts on early war guns were applied during assembly of the gun and not during production of the part. Late war guns did not have as many waffenamts because they did one final assembly inspection proof rather than the multi-stage proofing process used early in the war. Armorers parts usually only have one waffenamt proof at most and are marked with the factory code. The shroud trunnion could very likely have been without the jacket in its original spare form and could have had a late style jacket screwed in when assembled, or it could have an early four hole jacket. Either way, it’s a early wartime part, that was assembled as a post war gun. I’ve seen this sort of thing many times on the late Brno stuff and immediately postwar stuff.

[jonathanseverin]

Is there a waffenamt on the rear sight post?