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    #1

    MP 44 markings

    Hi all:
    I just acquired a beauty MP 44 with various markings. Can you help me out on what the following stamps mean/refer to:
    -'aqr'
    -WAA 623 and 'bnz' over a '4' in a shield shape
    -'4244 G/45' (serial number and date??)
    - 'CHN', 'qlv', 'WAA 280' (on magazine)
    -'jvd'
    -'swj'
    Do the Waffenamt stamps with different numbers all represent a different
    company/parts manufacturer?
    Also, is there such a thing as an SS-made MP 44 (in a concentration camp perhaps??) or were they all manufactured by German arms companies and
    distributed to the SS, Wehrmacht, etc.?
    Thanks for your help.
    -Ernst.
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    First I'm no expert, second I'm at work so I have to rely on my memory (bad)


    No SS STG's as far as I know. They did make some K98's though.

    WaA623 and BNZ are Steyr in Austria.
    jvd (Nord)Böhmische Metallwerke (they made P38 magazines among other things)

    The rest I can say right now.

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      -'aqr' Metallwaren- u Maschinenfabrik Lux, R & O, Liebenstein, Thuringia
      -WAA 623 and 'bnz' over a '4' in a shield shape Steyr factory markings (on the barrel?)
      -'4244 G/45' (serial number and date??) Correct
      - 'CHN',
      - 'qlv' Waffenfabrik Erma-Werke, Erfurt, Thuringia
      -'jvd' Erst nordbohmische Metallwarenfabrik Adolf Rossler, Niedereinsiedel, Sudetenland
      -'swj' Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG, Steyr, Austria

      MP-43/44/StG44's were assembled at the following plants:
      Haenel (fxo) ~185,000 rifles
      Sauer & Sohn (ce) ~55,000 rifles
      Erma (ayf, qlv) ~104,000 rifles
      Steyr (bnz, swj) ~80,000 rifles

      The design of the MP-44 was entirely a Army project and did not involve the SS (although there is a suggestion that Himmler was partially responsible for Hitlers acceptance of the rifle). However that is not to say that SS supplied slave labour was not used at any stage of production.

      However there where no concentration camp factories for the MP-44 like there was for the G43/k43.

      Distribution of these rifles was organised by the army and no preference was given to the Waffen SS. They were distributed to the Army Groups which then distributed them to the units under their command.

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        kiwi

        Where did they make K43's with slave workers? Which plant delivered the parts for assembly? I never knew they did so with K43's?

        The question is always there: Is the build quality worse on such weapons? Just curious.

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          #5
          MP 44 Markings

          Thanks VERY much for the prompt response.
          Originally posted by kiwicollector
          -'aqr' Metallwaren- u Maschinenfabrik Lux, R & O, Liebenstein, Thuringia
          -WAA 623 and 'bnz' over a '4' in a shield shape Steyr factory markings (on the barrel?)
          -'4244 G/45' (serial number and date??) Correct
          - 'CHN',
          - 'qlv' Waffenfabrik Erma-Werke, Erfurt, Thuringia
          -'jvd' Erst nordbohmische Metallwarenfabrik Adolf Rossler, Niedereinsiedel, Sudetenland
          -'swj' Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG, Steyr, Austria

          MP-43/44/StG44's were assembled at the following plants:
          Haenel (fxo) ~185,000 rifles
          Sauer & Sohn (ce) ~55,000 rifles
          Erma (ayf, qlv) ~104,000 rifles
          Steyr (bnz, swj) ~80,000 rifles

          The design of the MP-44 was entirely a Army project and did not involve the SS (although there is a suggestion that Himmler was partially responsible for Hitlers acceptance of the rifle). However that is not to say that SS supplied slave labour was not used at any stage of production.

          However there where no concentration camp factories for the MP-44 like there was for the G43/k43.

          Distribution of these rifles was organised by the army and no preference was given to the Waffen SS. They were distributed to the Army Groups which then distributed them to the units under their command.

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