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**leondes** · 03-02-2005, 11:22 AM

Hi P08,

Someone may correct me but I believe that the m.E. simply stands for the rounds having an iron core bullet.

Regards, Leon

**GWA** · 03-02-2005, 12:35 PM

$10-$20 per box.

**BRET VAN SANT** · 03-02-2005, 07:22 PM

Maybe some would pay a bit more for the date? but last ones I purchased were 15$ a box. happy to get them also. my best, Bret

**P08** · 03-03-2005, 03:24 AM

So it's pretty much in the 10-20 USD area. Good to know, thanks.

Some local guy has a lot of these boxes and might want to sell some. I just wondered what would be a fair price.

**captainhoot** · 03-06-2005, 12:12 PM

P08.

Leondes from Spain is correct.
The iron core bullet was produced late in the war to save material during the failing Nazi war effort. Pistol cartridges do not have "armor peircing" capability, due to their low muzzle velocity, compared to a full sized rifle cartridge. So, A.P. in a pistol does cartridge not exist. The rounds are of interest to most collectors of vintage ammo. because of the different type of material that the bullet is made of....Hope that helps.

-Andrew

**P08** · 03-07-2005, 02:55 AM

Andrew

Thanks for the background info.

**Gary Cain** · 03-08-2005, 01:08 AM

In 1944 the Germans developed an armor piercing round for the MP-40(also safe to shoot in the P-08 and P-38 thought the velocity dropped down into the 2500 fps range). It was a solid copper bullet that weighed in at around 60-75 grains. The velocity was in the 2800 fps range and the rounds were capable of penetrating the sides of the M3 halftrack. Post war the french(who found a bunch of it) used it as cheap ammo for target shooting but found that it was destroying their backstops. Soooooo they figured out what was going on and copied the ammo and we now know it as ARCANE ammo.

Cheers
Gary

Originally posted by captainhoot

P08.

Leondes from Spain is correct.
The iron core bullet was produced late in the war to save material during the failing Nazi war effort. Pistol cartridges do not have "armor peircing" capability, due to their low muzzle velocity, compared to a full sized rifle cartridge. So, A.P. in a pistol does cartridge not exist. The rounds are of interest to most collectors of vintage ammo. because of the different type of material that the bullet is made of....Hope that helps.

-Andrew

**Matt Weber** · 03-08-2005, 03:19 AM

Gary is correct!

I've shot some of that stuff, and it will go through 1/4" steel plate!

That's all we were shooting at so I'm not sure if it would penatrate anything bigger, but it didn't have any problem with the 1/4" plate.
Back in the 1980s' that stuff was only a penny a round, and you could get tons of it! Now it cost $1 a round, at least!

Matt

**Gary Cain** · 03-10-2005, 03:34 AM

Hey Matt,
We tested it and at 15M it would go through up to 10mm of hardened plate and 21mm of soft stuff!

Gary

Originally posted by Matt Weber

Gary is correct!

I've shot some of that stuff, and it will go through 1/4" steel plate!

That's all we were shooting at so I'm not sure if it would penatrate anything bigger, but it didn't have any problem with the 1/4" plate.
Back in the 1980s' that stuff was only a penny a round, and you could get tons of it! Now it cost $1 a round, at least!

Matt

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