Absolutely gorgeous pistols!
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Sublimely beautiful.
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Damn nice find!! Awesome condition!!Comment
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Hi Johnny,
I always enjoy your posts, nice textbook original guns as per usual!
Here's my only 41'
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Thanks Steve. Steve has a Colt that I truly lust over.
Nice Colt that you posted also. Love those early 1911A1 Colts.Comment
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Thanks Johnny. I will take some better photos of that one and try to post it here on WAF soon. I'm always learning how to get better with the camera, seems to be a long journey.Originally posted by Johnny Peppers View Post
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Have never seen any better, stunning condition!Esse Quam VideriComment
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Johnny, both are superb examples! There is nothing like a fine 1911.
Willi
Preußens Gloria!
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11 A1 Safe Queen
Steve 1987, Love those old 11 A1's . My Safe Queen 's SN is 5200 below yours. I have had a thing for the 11's since buying my first one back in 1953, For the grand sum of $20.00.Comment
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Second guns parkerizing looks to me more true to color towards the greenish side, Later finishes tend to appear more grayish as they were not exposed to cosmoline even though those phosphorous finishes were gray after the coating was added to the steel. Is the first gun refinished, and if not , maybe it wasn't packed in grease for ready military storage until needed..as I'm used to seeing WW2 guns with that slight green tinge.
Second pistol has signs of being holstered and used, where heavily used guns have little finish left on them from combat hard use. Show guns are OK , but it is always good to add internal kits that do not change the gun except to accurize them through parts changing to keep guns original as guns back then weren't usually worked over..unless its owner was on abase shooting competition team.
Has either one of these had any changed parts while keeping the original ones for collector value so they are more on the money at the range?
Both are fine looking examples and yes I recall when 45s were cheap, but in my time they were around 100. to 150..... 03 rifles were 12.00. Heck I can recall barrels full of guns in the hardware stores as a kid for sale till the 68 GCA changed all that.
Look in the back of the early and mid sixties american rifleman magazines and see the surplus guns prices..to those who laid a few back , wouldn't afford to buy any today at the crazy prices that just seem to keep going up.
reason for greenish tinge stated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkerizing (Both are excellent examples shown.)Last edited by juoneen; 09-15-2016, 06:02 AM.Comment
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Both pistols are original and correct, and have been in my collection for over 30 years. I don't fire any of my collector pistols as there is no difference in firing one of them and a $400 modern 1911 style pistol. Most have become too valuable to use as a shooter, and I will preserve them for some future collector.
Most of the military pistols that were brought back and put up show little wear. It is the pistols that became Bubba's favorite truck gun that show wear, and has nothing to do with combat.
The first pistol is blue, and grease only makes them appear darker until it is wiped off. While I didn't purchase the second pistol from a veteran, it was purchased from a veteran by a collector that I knew, and was never packed in cosmoline. When newly manufactured they were dipped in a preservative oil, allowed to drain, wrapped and boxed for shipment. They were ready for use right out of the box. Cameras don't always show the exact color being photographed, and the early phosphate finished Colts tended to be a lighter color than the later pistols.
Even though the same specifications for finish was used by all the manufacturers, all the pistols varied slightly in color. The Ithaca pistols tended to be a very dark gray to almost black finish, where the Remington Rands, especially in the late pistols, tended to be more gray.
This is a picture of a Remington 03-A4 that was never packed in cosmoline, and as with the other Remingtons had a green phosphate finish, where the Smith-Corona rifles were dark gray.
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This pistol started out as a Model 1911 and ended up a Model 1911A1. The last Model 1911 pistols were manufactured in 1919 ending with serial number 629500, but Ordnance had been working on upgrades, and in 1923 ordered 10,000 of the new pistols which were delivered in 1924. A shorter trigger was used, the frame received finger cutouts behind the trigger, a longer grip safety, and an arched mainspring housing along with several several minor changes were called for. The pistols were to be the Improved Model 1911, but two years after delivery in 1926 Ordnance decided that it would be the Model 1911A1, and for record keeping purposes all pistols under serial number 700000 were to be a Model 1911 and any serial number over 700000 was to be a 1911A1.
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