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**Fritz Witt** · 01-17-2005, 09:01 AM

In general the G33/40 is more rare than the K98k.

It depends everybody's preferences it invest in a G33/40 or not. The price you mentionned ist reasonable, if the rifle is really in good original condition and with matchting number. Many G33/40 were used by the Norwegian Police and are marked right side of the receiver.

**bodes** · 01-17-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by P08

I haven't paid much attention to the G33/40 so I don't know that much about it.

In general how "collectible" are they? I guess only few were made compared to the regular K98k. What price level is normal for the G33/40? Is it more expensive than a comparable K98k (same condition, year etc.)?

Is 1333 USD a high (too high?) price for a G33/40 in almost perfect condition?

Any G33/40 owners here?

P08, First of all G33/40's were only produced from 1940-42....I've heard estimates as low as 120,000 rifles being produced (compared to 12-14 million standard K98k's).....Here stateside, they are really tough to find with all matched serial #'s....Generally the bolts are mis-matched...Add to that alot of GI's and gun dealers liked the lightweight action and many were converted to sporting rifles....IF you like this rifle and it's all matched, my thoughts are you better grab it, they are becomming tough to find....Just my 2 cents....Here's one beautiful G33/40 that sold for almost $4000 w/3 piece stock....Bodes

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6321774

**P08** · 01-17-2005, 10:18 AM

Thank you both of you. I appreciate your comments. I haven't had the time to do my homework and I'm working overtime. Suddenly this one comes up. Typical, never when your ready.

Can you please help an amateur like me with hints on how to spot a converted/replica G33/40?

I know the bolt and bolt handle are different to the K98k. But how exactly? Form and size I guess? Is the bolt handle ball always hollow on a G33/40? Rear sights are scaled differently - any possibility you can tell me how?

One last (dum?) question: Were the G33/40 built from scratch or were they built partially using parts from old rifles?

**Matt Weber** · 01-17-2005, 11:08 AM

I agree with the above comments and would add a few of my own.

The price you mentioned would be a great price if the rifle is all matching!
If it is a MM, then it is overpriced I'm afraid. I just sold my G33/40, a "dot 1941", all matching with sight hood, cleaning rod, and sling, for $1700. Mine was about 85-90% with excellent bore, and great looking stock!
A MM one in this same condition would be about $800-$900 only.

Just some info for you. If you find one that is all matching, then I would definately snag it up while you still can!

Matt

**bodes** · 01-17-2005, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by P08

Thank you both of you. I appreciate your comments. I haven't had the time to do my homework and I'm working overtime. Suddenly this one comes up. Typical, never when your ready.

Can you please help an amateur like me with hints on how to spot a converted/replica G33/40?

I know the bolt and bolt handle are different to the K98k. But how exactly? Form and size I guess? Is the bolt handle ball always hollow on a G33/40? Rear sights are scaled differently - any possibility you can tell me how?

One last (dum?) question: Were the G33/40 built from scratch or were they built partially using parts from old rifles?

P08, The G33/40 was the german variation of the Czech Vz33....When Germany took over Czechloslovakia in early 1939, they utilized their armamants plants....So, yes they were built from scratch, while adding a few German K98k characteristics to the design....The bolt should be hollow, the bandspring is located on the opposite side, both bands are different to the K98k, upper handguard completely incloses the rear sight, front sight is different (and protector) to the way it's mounted on the barrel....receiver is machined differently too, to achieve maximum lightness....My advise is get a copy of Ludwig Olson's Mauser Bolt Rifles book....Hope this helps...Bodes

**leondes** · 01-17-2005, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Fritz Witt

In general the G33/40 is more rare than the K98k.

It depends everybody's preferences it invest in a G33/40 or not. The price you mentionned ist reasonable, if the rifle is really in good original condition and with matchting number. Many G33/40 were used by the Norwegian Police and are marked right side of the receiver.

Hi Fritz,

Can you tell me more specifically what the Norwegian Police marking was?

Regards, Leon

**Bill Grist** · 01-17-2005, 11:23 AM

Yes

Would also like to see a pict. of the Norwegian police markings, Was it done like the pistols...BILL...

**P08** · 01-17-2005, 01:36 PM

Thank you to all of you. Regarding the norwegian marking I've seen a picture of one in a recent number of German magazine "Visier". The marking reads: POLITI

It means POLICE. It seems though that they didn't convert these rifles to 30.06 as they did with all the K98k's they had.

Such a norwegian mark would decrease value in my opinion.

I can't go see the one that I've been offered

It's in the other end of the country. Someone will look at it for me.

Bodes, thanks for the explanation! I was afraid that they might have used vz33's as basis for building the G33/40's. Similar to the parts reusing in Mosin Nagant's (my own is a mix of new and old parts).

**Bill Grist** · 01-17-2005, 01:55 PM

Ploiti

I just spoke with a friend of mine at a Norwegian police station and they have two for shooting animals hit by vehicles, he is going to send me some picts of the markings, and I'll post them... BILL

**3371940** · 01-19-2005, 01:18 PM

33/40 stuff

OK, here is a link to a Norwegian reworked G. 33/40:

http://www.euroarms.net/News/NewsFiere/g33-40_EXA04.htm

Very similar to the re-arsenal refinish done by the Norwegians on the 98k.

The $4k AA 33/40 has been sanded, refinished and reblued. An outrageous price for what seems to me to be nothing more than a Miltech piece.

Here are just a few of my babies:

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In the US at least, $1,333 is a pretty fair price for a bolt mismatch 33/40 if it’s original, unsanded and has a proper 33/40 bolt.

**bodes** · 01-19-2005, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=3371940]OK, here is a link to a Norwegian reworked G. 33/40:

http://www.euroarms.net/News/NewsFiere/g33-40_EXA04.htm

Very similar to the re-arsenal refinish done by the Norwegians on the 98k.

The $4k AA 33/40 has been sanded, refinished and reblued. An outrageous price for what seems to me to be nothing more than a Miltech piece.

Here are just a few of my babies:

3371940, With all due respect I've seen G41's, G43's, and K98k's that were every bit as nice as the one that sold on AA....And they were ALL original....Even though hard to believe, some members of the G/K43 forum, including myself believe the bluing was original...The stock being in original untouched condition was the clinker....My thoughts are maybe lightly sanded with a coat of poly added....Really hard to say without handling....IF all original, a person would be pretty hardpressed to find another 3 pieced stock G33/40 in that kind of condition....Just my .02....Nice group of G33/40's btw

....Are they ALL matched?....Bodes

**P08** · 01-19-2005, 03:52 PM

Amazing collection. Thanks for the pictures in the link. The norwegians didn't just stamp them it seems. The surface has been machined flat in the picture.

Could someone please explain what is meant with three piece stock? I see either 2 pieces or 4 depending on how you look at it?

**bodes** · 01-19-2005, 04:34 PM

Could someone please explain what is meant with three piece stock? I see either 2 pieces or 4 depending on how you look at it?[/QUOTE]

P08, A 3-piece stock is merely the buttstock(while NOT including the handguard) meticulouly "dovetailed" together using 3 pieces of wood....Just look closely at the pictures on the AA link I posted....Bodes

**3371940** · 01-19-2005, 05:59 PM

Bodes:

That dot 41 has been the subject of many discussions both on and off line. We’re going to disagree and that’s fine with me. Please, no hard feelings. It seems that there are just as many people who feel it’s been reblued that those who don’t.

This is what I posted on one of the other forums:

Yes, I personally feel that that 33/40 has had the stock refinished and it has, at some point, been reblued. Just too pretty for me. Looks almost like a Miltech piece.

To compare I started pulling 33/40’s out of my safe. I stopped at 5. The best matching pieces I have don’t look like that UNDER the wood line. Nor have any of the hundreds of photos that I’ve looked at over the past 4 years.

Ok so maybe it’s the seller’s camera? Nope. I bought a 98k from that seller 2 years ago and saved the photos. Compared the old photos to the rifle last night and they are a good representation of the piece.

Then there’s this auction for comparison:

http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/displayitem.cfm?ItemNum=6334420.0

Sure different makers but they should look pretty close.

I’ll be the first one to admit that I know nothing of different types of blueing (hot, cold, dipped, whatever) and what the process will entail. I do believe I know what a piece looks like when it has been reblued and that 33/40 looks reblued.

Just my 2 cents. Together we have 4!

On the three-piece stock comment there is also an even scarcer two piece version. It is believed that because these were to be used in extreme conditions the Germans took a cue from the Finns and added the finger joints to offset potential stock warpage. The laminate stock serves this purpose better.

Originally posted by bodes

Could someone please explain what is meant with three piece stock? I see either 2 pieces or 4 depending on how you look at it?

P08, A 3-piece stock is merely the buttstock(while NOT including the handguard) meticulouly "dovetailed" together using 3 pieces of wood....Just look closely at the pictures on the AA link I posted....Bodes[/QUOTE]

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