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    Krieghoff P.08 (1938) - National WWII Museum (New Orleans, LA)

    Last weekend I visited the "National WWII Museum" in New Orleans, LA (USA). Among the interesting items on display was, mixed in a large glass case with other small arms, a 1938 dated Krieghoff P.08. As best I could tell given the lighting and it being behind glass, the P.08 appeared to have its original finish and be in excellent condition.

    The museum description made no reference to the Krieghoff-manufactured P.08 being anything out-of-the ordinary or special. To the museum, this is just another "German Luger" for display, warranting no special mention.

    I was immediately struck with a sense of "why" did this Krieghoff P.08 have to end up stuck behind glass for eternity with no appreciation for what it is . . . .when a plain old S/42 1938 would have accomplished the same result for the museum's purposes. Of course, the answer is simply "luck of the draw" in that the WWII veteran who brought the Krieghoff P.08 back decided to give it to the museum rather than making some other disposition of it. IMO, too bad a private collector did not manage to pry the Krieghoff loose from the vet in years past before the museum donation, as I understand the Museum is not short on Lugers and has plenty of common examples that would have worked for display.

    The photos are the best I could do with an I-phone under the display/lighting circumstances present . . . but when I observed the Krieghoff I thought about you guys on the Forum and decided to snap a couple of photos for purposes of creating this thread.
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        My son (11 years old), eagerly awaiting our entrance to the museum.
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          Alan , The stuff dreams are made of there !!

          Not many 1938 dated examples and VERY EXPENSIVE ! Heck the " refinished " example at the recent RIA had a hammer price of $25,000.00 and add fees to that .

          Did you happen to record the serial number ?

          Looks OK from what can be seen and it has the 8 in the date slightly tilted right on top like many 1938's do .

          Thanks for posting . Dave

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            Makes you wonder what else they have in storage! I visited right before Katrina in 2005 with my family as a 12 year old, loved the museum and the Guadalcanal gunto/tend auto with the M1 helms has always been on my mind. I was actually there when an author was speaking and got a book from him. Do want to go back and to Fredericksburg again. Hope you and the family enjoyed it as much as I did!

            Lev

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              Dave,

              Given the lighting and the shadow cast on the front of the frame, it was not possible to observe the P.08's serial number.

              I did not realize that the '38 Krieghoffs were so rare. In fact, at first glance I thought the gun was a '36 (which I understand is one of the more common Krieghoff P.08 dates); it was only after looking at it from all possible angles that I became convinced it was a '38.

              Alan

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                Alan , Many reference sources say " 50 produced " for 1938 but the number of recorded surviving examples seems to make that estimate low . Anyway you slice it though 1938 is a rare HK .

                Yes on 1936 being common along with 1937 and " S " dated examples .

                There are also 36 dated ones and they are less common than 1940's .

                All remaining dates G , 1941 , 1942 , 1943 and 1944 are less common also but 1938's are definitely in the thick of it rarity wise .

                Examples dated 1939 and 1945 are pretty much considered products of WaA USA .

                How was the pistol held up ? It doesn't have a hole drilled in it for the rod does it ? THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE !!!

                Dave
                Last edited by 1933 FORD NUT; 09-24-2015, 03:03 PM. Reason: kant spel wel

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                  The P.08 is resting on small "lips" that catch it under the rear of the frame and near the take-down lever (look closely at my 1st photo and you can see).

                  I will visit the museum again at some point and take one of those really powerful pocket flashlights with me; I should be able to get the SN off the front of the frame/barrel by illuminating it with the flashlight (and will update the thread accordingly).

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                    #10
                    Great find indeed! Yea, it's sad to see such a rare piece in a museum, but at the same time, at least all can view it now, and it's safe.

                    I don't have many regrets, but one thing I regret happened about 10 years ago. I had the chance to buy a 1943 dated Krieghoff with 2 matching mags and original Krieghoff holster! I had the money to buy it at the time, but I was just hesitant to pull the trigger (pardon the pun). I will always regret that one.

                    I was at another museum, and they had a K98 on display. Upon closer look, I could see the receiver, marked "Gew. 98.", and markings on the barrel, "SS/DHead", and "SS2/DHead". It was a true SS G98, converted to K98 standards!!!. I felt the same as you.

                    Matt

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                      #11
                      Maybe best that such a rare piece does end up in a museum. It could have fallen into the hands of Bubba and became his favorite truck gun, or someone that declares that they all "need the hell shot out of them on a regular basis."

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                        Originally posted by Johnny Peppers View Post
                        Maybe best that such a rare piece does end up in a museum. It could have fallen into the hands of Bubba and became his favorite truck gun, or someone that declares that they all "need the hell shot out of them on a regular basis."
                        True. I see that everyday.

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                          Good points, Johnny . . . . we should never forget the ever-present threat to collectable firearms that is posed by "Bubba" . . . . . (which, as you state, includes the "must shoot" types).

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                            Krieghoff 08 in NO Military Museum

                            Have a collector friend that has a contact at the museum. He had him check the 08. Is a Krieghoff and dated 1938. But couldn't get a good look to see serial number. Possibly isn't a gun person and didn't know where to look for it . Might be able to prod him to give a closer look or into their inventory records and see if they have the serial listed anywhere. Think the piece is in the "Road to Berlin" display. Will try to follow up on this.

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                              #15
                              I'm friends with the curators there and I assure you that they knew exactly what they were doing when they chose the Krieghoff for display.

                              I've been admiring that piece every time I visit for years. I've visited their archives a few times and that is the only Krieghoff that I saw there. Granted, it's been a few years though.

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