I found a couple boxes of this at a gun/ammo auction. I'm wondering why it was repackaged?
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The stripper clips appear to be zinc coated steel and the rounds lacquered steel....I would say relabeled for importation into this country.....BodesComment
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Repackage date
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What weapon fires 7.92 x33 Kurtz other than STG 44?
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I don't believe they were repackaged, as they are dated 1944......The 1950 on the label likely indicates when these were imported into the US....BodesOriginally posted by bodes View PostComment
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Thanks
Thanks, Bodes, how do you think people will want to buy these? By the box, stripper clip, individual round?Comment
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To a collector, just the way they are is the most desirable....BodesOriginally posted by S42 View PostComment
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Nice! I wish I could buy these!Comment
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Headstamp and strippers are wartime manufacture
(They are mixed factories so very likely repackaged post-war, although it supposedly happened during the war, too.)
hla = Metallwarenfabrik Treuenbritzen G.m.b.H., Werk Sebaldushof, Germany
aux = Polte, Werk Magdeburg, Poltestr. u. Fichtestr.,Magdeburg, Germany:
The box is original wartime - the sticker is later, obviously.
Leave them as they are - for collectors -
hla headstamps in this batch range are not rare, and without the original box stickers it's not overly desirable, I have quite a few of these types of box, usually about $40 or so a box - I wouldn't shoot 1944 issue steel cased ammo in an MP44.
But, to a starter collector - it's a curiosity box and the ammo is wartime.
Much the same price as the Czech repackaged WW2 Kurz.
headstamps for hla:
hla - 7,9 1 - 2 - 3 43 (rare)
hla - St 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 9 43 (rare)
hla - St 1 thru 15 - 15+ 16 - 17 44 (common)
hla - -St 18-19-20-21 44 (common)
hla - -St 1 - 2 -3 - 4 - 5 45 (far less common)
hla - S* 1 45 (Very rare)
Roughly stated - the above is obviously a quick diagram.
Aux - Polte - was the original manufacturer of the 7.92x33 round, and they are the most prolific manufacturer - with more variations of headstamp than the other 8 wartime manufacturers - some of their rounds are rare (41-43), of course, the early ones especially - but the later, are the more common (44-45):
9 factory codes for 8mm Kurz:
ak, aux, de, dou, fva, hla, kam, oxo, wa.
Someone here asked about other weapons in 8mm Kurz.
There were several last-ditch rifles manufactured in 8mm Kurz.
The Rochling Semo-automatic carbine.
The Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr (VG series)
The Rheinmetall VG45
There were reportedly but not photographed at least two FG42 manufactured in 8mm Kurz.
And of course the mkb42 (h) - mkb42 (w) - MP43, MP44, STG44, Stg45.
Probably more names from the aficionados here.Last edited by pitfighter; 07-16-2015, 02:33 AM.Comment
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Pitfighter, thank you for taking the time to write such an informative post. I have two boxes. One box is marked kag 44 and the other gpe 1944. There are 3 stripper clips in each box. Here is the head stamp details:
hla St 15 44 quantity=6
hla St 20 44 quantity=13
hla St 2 45 quantity=1
hla St 4 45 quantity=1
aux St 45 44 quantity=1
aux St 50 44 quantity=1
aux St 52 44 quantity=1
aux St 53 44 quantity=6Comment
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Pit; was wonder when you would show up. Was going to suggest he contact you. On the list of other weapons using the 7.92x33 you missed the MP43/1. But I forgive you....CHB
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I defer to you, sir. You are correct of course.Originally posted by Coalhillbill View PostOn the list of other weapons using the 7.92x33 you missed the MP43/1. But I forgive you....CHB
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If you were so inclined, that batch of headstamps is a nice starting place for a collection
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