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    Where is the time, sweet 16 !

    Hello all,

    I was posting some old photos in the Paratrooper section showing my old FG 42 and started to go trough the rest of the pictures, and I thought it would be fun to share some old souvenirs with you guys.
    Following are two pictures of places where I used to find good stuff… The basements of houses!!!!!!
    In the picture one can see a basement with lots of junk that looks promising… the second picture shows what came out!!!!! 4 or more MP 43’s 44’s 45’s one or two MP40 ‘s with no stock, one MG, a bomb of something (I don’t remember) and more junk.
    The next pictures show myself with a SS helmet and part of my weapons collection. All of it was given to me or bought for the price of scrap metal in junkyards!!
    This ware the good times when stuff was free to take. I would go to houses where peoples where throwing out old furniture in dump containers and I would ask if there was anything from the war. More than ones I had to call my parents to pick me up with the car because I could not carry the stuff that was just been given to me. (They preferred me to do this sort of things than to go out drinking in bars and smoking dope! I will be eternally grateful for this)
    It was the time when SS tent quarters where used to cover the fire wood from the rain on the sides of the farms in the Ardennes, When one could still walk the fox holes in the Bulge and pick up helmets, guns, ammunitions (and bones) laying on the ground with no metal detectors.
    Times when a German helmet was 1000 fr. ($20) on the flea market in Brussels
    It was the time I was 16.

    Marc V.
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    Me,

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      #3
      Oh sweet mother of God!

      It 's times like this that I wish I was born much longer ago and in mainland europe...


      Thanks Marc, I thank you still have all these??


      Rich
      Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
      Decorations of Germany

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        #4
        Thanks Mark!
        For making me puke!! I just get sick to my stomach when I see and here stories like that!
        Nice looking loot though! I loved the photo with all the k98s! Do you still have all this loot?

        Matt

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          #5
          Hi Mat and all,

          I could send you guys more pictures to make you sick, just tell me if you guys want more photos for your archives.

          I do not have all this stuff anymore. During the mid 80’s (1983-1986) there was a sort of back to inquisition and dark ages in Belgium.
          A terrorist gang was shooting peoples, women and children in supermarkets with riot guns and automatic weapons; this all with no reason because there was never anything stolen. Also police units where ambushed and massacred. (This all was done military commando stile) The whole country was in fair and many theories have been given for all this. The killers where never catch and the general impression was that this was a set up by right or left wing groups in the government to destabilise the country and have a change of power. Too many state police peoples where involved and also killed.
          Because one US embassy guy (who had no specific function in the embassy, you know what I mean) was killed in a back ally there was even the theory that the CIA was involved.

          Anyway those times where the end of the happy gun collecting and gun laws started to change dramatically! State security was jumping on everything they could to score some success. The easiest target was the poor collector! This was much safer for them than to chase the real villains of course!! And they where sure of success. They could report to there superiors: We have found a cache of guns by a dangerous terrorist!!! (Poor me as little collector)
          After having my house invaded 3 times at 6h in the morning by uneducated, violent, and aggressive unfriendly police forces who did not care about the basic rights of a citizen and even human rights and after been interrogated in the dark cells of some unknown buildings by peoples who do not tell you where you are and who thy are.
          I decided that it was safer to turn to some other type of collection. And I started do sell and trade my guns for Uniforms and general militaria. I made a selection and kept only the items in very good condition. Or very scarce items. See: “ strange guns of WWII”,” My favourite”, “MP 18” and “FG 42”, “PL Walter PPK” in the past treads on this site.
          Until a few months ago I still had 16 heavy German MG ‘s on heavy tripod or AA tripod, all my sniper rifles and some MP’s and pistols.
          This is not much when one sees the pictures of the collection when it was in full glory! (300+ rifles, 30+ heavy MG’s, 30+ MP’s, at least 10 mortars, one quadruple AA MG 34 set up on the vehicle. And much more…………
          I also thought that leaving a gun collection to my children was not a good idée in this country so I decided to buy properties instead.
          This will all happen to you guy to over-there one day, it is just a matter of time…

          So, with my mail in the beginning of this tread and this one you all know basically the story of my life as gun collector. I had lots of fun, good memories and lots of adrenaline rush. I still love guns and never decline the invitation to shoot with a good old MG 34, 42, or even M16
          All the memory’s are in my head and sometime it is nice to share them with others. I am still able to answer questions about the technical aspect of the stuff but don’t ask me why this pistol is in this holster instead of such ore such one!! I was never interested in those details. For me a gun was a gun and when it was given to me for free I did not make comments about the wrong holster it was in!
          More photos are possible if there is demand or interest.
          Marc V.

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            #6
            In flandres fields !!!! (1983)

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              #7
              Remains of the battle! (Battle of the bulge 1983)

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                #8
                Hi Marc
                Thanks for these great pictures
                This is just amazing,

                That picture of the Sherman is just great!!! an edition of the magazine ´After the Batlle´ form the 80´s shows also a sherman, is it this one??

                I also find a way to obtain stuff. I wrote a personal letter, explaining why I collect and the purposes of my collection. I printed it 100 times and posted them in the area where I live ( especially old large farms). When people find something they contact me and I give the ´best´price for it. It works, but the SS helmets and halftracks aren´t there anymore. most of the time it are helmets/banjonets/obusses and fotos/paper items,...

                I´ve been born to late and I will never forgive myself, or better,... my mam

                p.s. Marc, do you go to the military show in Bethune, Nord-France next weekend??

                Jan From Flanders Fields

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                  No Jan, I don’t go to shows in Belgium and France anymore, I stopped a few years ago. There are too much shows all over the place every week -end and I do not find anything for my collection anymore. I guess I’m burned out from shows over-here, have done it for the past 25 years!! The only place you can see me once and awhile is Arlon (once or twice a year), Antwerp and Wavre sometimes because those are just outside my doorstep so to speak.
                  I much more prefer to go to Germany and the US
                  Marc V.

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                    #10
                    Marc,
                    I noticed a Chauchat machine gun in the basement of that house in the first pictures, along with the WWII German weapons. That must have been there since WWI, or were the French or Belgians still issueing them at the beginning of WWII?

                    Great thread!

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                      #11
                      Hi Doug,
                      It could have been used by the resistance, or even the Germans at the end of the war for the volksturm! Many German units who where formed with older men and where not in first fighting line where armed with WWI guns. A think I read ones that every gun that had five rounds of ammo was good for service and ended up somewhere in the hands of a 15 or 60 year old!! I do remember this gun in the picture; I think it was a WWI US army Chauchat!!!
                      Marc V.

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                        #12
                        All Right Mark,

                        Where do you live? Because I am planning my next vacation to your house!! That's right, I'm moving into your basement! I don't take up much space and eat very little. Oh please can I stay?

                        Love the guns! I know it must have been a tough decision, but I think you made a good choice by investing in land rather than passing on guns to your children. I would like to see pics of your collection before you started selling it off. Can you send me some? Let me know, and I'll give you my home address!

                        Thanks for sharing all this with us! I'll have contact you when I have questions on MGs, and Stgs!

                        Matt

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                          #13
                          Marc,

                          That pic with these cases in the sand where is that taken?
                          Is it WW2 stuff or left overs from Leopoldsburg ....

                          Is that sherman tank still in that condition in that village.... damned what's the name of that village.......

                          Mehr sein als scheinen

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                            Sherman

                            Hello ,


                            Bad Mark => You bring up memory's from my childhood , believe me or not but on a vacation somwhere in the early 80's ( i still was a kid from about 7 or 8 years old back then ) we made a vacation trip towards the ardennes ( i do not recall the exact place ) and during a walk trough some woods we discovered the exact same Sherman on the side of the road .

                            I even think the graves of the KIA tankcrew where a little further on a junction => i wil ask my parents to look after a picture where me, my brother and my father where photgraphed on this sherman ( wil post a later )

                            Some years ago i tryed to locate this old Tank again but in the meantime it has been placed elswhere => on the central square in a nearby village and it was painted in a very ugly green ( to sad some stupid people kill the sad history of war with such acts of stupidity )

                            Cordial Greetings,
                            my collectionfield : German glider pilots


                            http://users.skynet.be/lw-glider/

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                              #15
                              Dad?

                              Where are you, Dad? I'll be home soon, I've missed you! You haven't cleaned out my closet have you?

                              I don't eat much, keep a clean house, and don't mind doing chores. See you soon!

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