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**bodes** · 12-04-2004, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by nutmeg

I picked up a nice one recently 945/1940 and was wondering what type of bayonet was generally used with these , German or Czech or both ?

Also the bolt is not flat on the inside, is that one of the ways they were made?

I too have a G33/40 which is the same 945/1940 maker & date...My bolt handle knob is not only flat on the inside but hollowed out....I believe this was done to get the maximum lightness out of the rifle....As for your configuration, I'm NOT sure that sounds correct IMHO.....I'm not an expert on the G33/40 but believe a solid bolt handle knob is not correct....And as for bayonet, I believe the czech one is proper although a standard German K98k will also fit.....Bodes

**Bill Grist** · 12-04-2004, 04:56 PM

correct

Originally posted by bodes

I too have a G33/40 which is the same 945/1940 maker & date...My bolt handle knob is not only flat on the inside but hollowed out....I believe this was done to get the maximum lightness out of the rifle....As for your configuration, I'm NOT sure that sounds correct IMHO.....I'm not an expert on the G33/40 but believe a solid bolt handle knob is not correct....And as for bayonet, I believe the czech one is proper although a standard German K98k will also fit.....Bodes

Bodes is right the bolt handle is hollow.. The bayonet could be a standard German 84/98III, Czech M24 modified by the Germans or a German produced Czech Bayonet of the 24 pattern...wfg

**Dallas** · 12-04-2004, 09:12 PM

There is no problem with the bolt handle. I've got a matched G33/40 dtd 42 and the bolt handle is solid.

Originally posted by bodes

I too have a G33/40 which is the same 945/1940 maker & date...My bolt handle knob is not only flat on the inside but hollowed out....I believe this was done to get the maximum lightness out of the rifle....As for your configuration, I'm NOT sure that sounds correct IMHO.....I'm not an expert on the G33/40 but believe a solid bolt handle knob is not correct....And as for bayonet, I believe the czech one is proper although a standard German K98k will also fit.....Bodes

**bodes** · 12-04-2004, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Dallas

There is no problem with the bolt handle. I've got a matched G33/40 dtd 42 and the bolt handle is solid.

Dallas, Of course that is entirely possible....By 1942 the OKW was in the process of phasing out the G33/40 (In fact,they stopped it's manufacture)....To cut down on manufacturing cost/time, maybe they just installed a standard K98k bolt?.... Bodes

**Dallas** · 12-04-2004, 10:54 PM

Doesn't look like anything like that a 98K bolt to me. I don't know if they are interchangeable. As I said, it is matched. The bolt has same marking as the rest including stock, serial nr. 7784 b and proofed 64. Manuracturer is dot. I expect that they just stopped drilling holes in the bolt handles in the 1942 models.

Bayonet is 42 fnj serial 4191 Q. Wa519.

Originally posted by bodes

Dallas, Of course that is entirely possible....By 1942 the OKW was in the process of phasing out the G33/40 (In fact,they stopped it's manufacture)....To cut down on manufacturing cost/time, maybe they just installed a standard K98k bolt?.... Bodes

**bodes** · 12-04-2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Dallas

Doesn't look like anything like that a 98K bolt to me. I don't know if they are interchangeable. As I said, it is matched. The bolt has same marking as the rest including stock, serial nr. 7784 b and proofed 64. Manuracturer is dot. I expect that they just stopped drilling holes in the bolt handles in the 1942 models.

Bayonet is 42 fnj serial 4191 Q. Wa519.

Dallas, You may be right...I've never tried to interchange bolts...When looking at the G33/40, it appears the bolt arm is somewhat shorter (which in itself makes NO difference)....I have to believe for reason of practicality, they are interchangeable though.....Is your bolt serial #'d on the side or #'d on top like a K98k? Also, the proofs on mine are 63 instead of 64.....Bodes

**bodes** · 12-05-2004, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by bodes

Dallas, You may be right...I've never tried to interchange bolts...When looking at the G33/40, it appears the bolt arm is somewhat shorter (which in itself makes NO difference)....I have to believe for reason of practicality, they are interchangeable though.....Is your bolt serial #'d on the side or #'d on top like a K98k? Also, the proofs on mine are 63 instead of 64.....Bodes

Dallas.....The bolts are very much interchangable...I tried it...Bodes

**nutmeg** · 12-05-2004, 01:54 PM

Thanks guys. Apparently some are made with round bolt knobs according to this thread. Very interesting. dt

**gew98** · 12-05-2004, 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=Dallas]Doesn't look like anything like that a 98K bolt to me. I don't know if they are interchangeable. As I said, it is matched. The bolt has same marking as the rest including stock, serial nr. 7784 b and proofed 64. Manuracturer is dot. I expect that they just stopped drilling holes in the bolt handles in the 1942 models.

I suspect your bolt is not legit. I have owned two dot42 33/40's and handled a good many others...none have had solid bolt knobs.
On very early adaption of the Vz33 to the german issue version many Vz33 parts were used even to some of the finishes on parts the czechs used. And the Vz33 bolt knob was solid.It is noted that a few very ealry nazi assembled 'parts guns' of the 33/40 were done with czech Vz33 bolts on hand. But in 1942 - I don't buy it , sorry.

**gew98** · 12-05-2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by nutmeg

Thanks guys. Apparently some are made with round bolt knobs according to this thread. Very interesting. dt

Again - NO Vz33's or 33/40's were made with round knob bolt handles. the Vz33's were flat sided like the Kar98a , and the 33/40's flat sided and hollowed out. So if it is not like either - it did not leave the factory that way. The fraud in nazi era arms is immense due to the money to be made - so beware when such "odd" examples surface.

**bodes** · 12-05-2004, 02:51 PM

I suspect your bolt is not legit. I have owned two dot42 33/40's and handled a good many others...none have had solid bolt knobs.
On very early adaption of the Vz33 to the german issue version many Vz33 parts were used even to some of the finishes on parts the czechs used. And the Vz33 bolt knob was solid.It is noted that a few very ealry nazi assembled 'parts guns' of the 33/40 were done with czech Vz33 bolts on hand. But in 1942 - I don't buy it , sorry.[/QUOTE]

Gew98, What about the possibilities of the bolt being replaced by an armourer's replacement bolt?....That's why I was curious about serial #'s locations on the bolt....Of course armourer's parts would be unnumbered....But I do agree that a solid bolt in 1942 should at least be viewed with suspicion....I believe G33/40's are notorious for mis-matched bolts(serial#'s) and of course because of the increasing value of these rifles might lead to somebody faking #'s on a K98k bolt....Just thinking of possible scenarios....Bodes

**Dallas** · 12-05-2004, 04:59 PM

Oh please! No way this is not legit.

The nrs are the same all over. Exactly. No variation and correct. I just took it down and looked at it and the proof was 63 not 64, my mistake. I don't believe this is a recent fake Czech weapon? Not likely. I purchased this back in 1982 in Texas for $400. The stamp is on the arm of the bolt handle at the top and two proofs 656 underneath and the same serial nr. stamp in the rear as the rest of the weapon. It may very well be a 98K bolt they used to finish up the 42 manufacture.

**gew98** · 12-05-2004, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Dallas

Oh please! No way this is not legit.

The nrs are the same all over. Exactly. No variation and correct. I just took it down and looked at it and the proof was 63 not 64, my mistake. I don't believe this is a recent fake Czech weapon? Not likely. I purchased this back in 1982 in Texas for $400. The stamp is on the arm of the bolt handle at the top and two proofs 656 underneath and the same serial nr. stamp in the rear as the rest of the weapon. It may very well be a 98K bolt they used to finish up the 42 manufacture.

Dallas ; The two E/655's you note tell us right there the bolt is an oberndorf product - so it cannot be a dot product. And it would thus have to be a 98k bolt body , and being so if it were a depot replacement the waffenmeister would have if he so desired to renumber it on the top flat where the old 98k serial was - not on the stem to mimmick a czech dot style serial placement. Renumbering of bolts and entire german arms has been around alot longer than 1982......I have met some fellows whom have been doing it longer than that. And yes they did it for money even then as a matching rifle sold quicker than a mismatch. So in a nutshell such a bolt sounds alarms about the authenticity , especially since oberndoprf did not ship parts to "dot" for 33/40's or dou 98k's in 1942.

**Dallas** · 12-05-2004, 07:27 PM

Thanks. I wish I could scan the nr, because it looks more like a 656 since I got my magnifying glass. I can't see very well anymore.

Originally posted by gew98

Dallas ; The two E/655's you note tell us right there the bolt is an oberndorf product - so it cannot be a dot product. And it would thus have to be a 98k bolt body , and being so if it were a depot replacement the waffenmeister would have if he so desired to renumber it on the top flat where the old 98k serial was - not on the stem to mimmick a czech dot style serial placement. Renumbering of bolts and entire german arms has been around alot longer than 1982......I have met some fellows whom have been doing it longer than that. And yes they did it for money even then as a matching rifle sold quicker than a mismatch. So in a nutshell such a bolt sounds alarms about the authenticity , especially since oberndoprf did not ship parts to "dot" for 33/40's or dou 98k's in 1942.

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