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**bodes** · 07-03-2014, 06:27 PM

Mount is a reproduction.....The BLM proofs (WaA214) are found on the opposite end on originals.....The scope number appears very low, and IF original is an early 'dow' made one.....Bodes

**Willi Z.** · 07-03-2014, 06:35 PM

I agree it is a fake. Some of the details are incorrect, and as stated, the Wa214 is on the wrong side and a 3-digit rifle number is also an issue.

**Nigromontanus** · 07-04-2014, 01:53 AM

I do not agree that it is a fake. As for the gun number, I have even seen a 2 digit number. Bands are phosphated, mount is late. I do not see a problem with the WaA on the left side. The style of the gun number is correct. I have 2 others to compare.

**Nigromontanus** · 07-04-2014, 06:12 AM

dow 1494

same style

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**bodes** · 07-04-2014, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Nigromontanus View Post

I do not agree that it is a fake. As for the gun number, I have even seen a 2 digit number. Bands are phosphated, mount is late. I do not see a problem with the WaA on the left side. The style of the gun number is correct. I have 2 others to compare.

I'm looking at the porous texture on the backside where it mounts to the rifle.....It appears to be due to a casting process rather than a forging found in originals.....Also that surface should exhibit more of a smooth machined surface.....Lastly, I would think a late BLM mount would not have such an early scope IF a production item.....Bodes

**Nigromontanus** · 07-04-2014, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by bodes View Post

I'm looking at the porous texture on the backside where it mounts to the rifle.....It appears to be due to a casting process rather than a forging found in originals.....Also that surface should exhibit more of a smooth machined surface.....Lastly, I would think a late BLM mount would not have such an early scope IF a production item.....Bodes

All these mounts were cast and then machined! Some better, some worse.

I think I have the best database on ZF4. This would be the earliest use of the round 214 mount. Next is 9374. Since on 9374 the 214 eagle is already on the right side of the mount, whereas on this mount it is still on the left, the combination of mount and scope is definitely original.

**Nigromontanus** · 07-04-2014, 08:54 AM

I was wrong, dow 5163 has also round 214 mount.

I do not often write that much, but is a bit annoying to see an original called a fake.

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**Willi Z.** · 07-04-2014, 09:47 AM

Paul is certainly correct. I just looked at photos of an original setup that has a 3-digit rifle number with the WaA214 on the left side, but the mount has square edges. Serial number is engraved in precisely the same manner. So I am still confused as to when the transition of when the WaA214 was moved to the right and the square vs rounded corners.

**bodes** · 07-04-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Willi Z. View Post

Paul is certainly correct. I just looked at photos of an original setup that has a 3-digit rifle number with the WaA214 on the left side, but the mount has square edges. Serial number is engraved in precisely the same manner. So I am still confused as to when the transition of when the WaA214 was moved to the right and the square vs rounded corners.

I agree he is correct they did proof the earlier ones on the left hand side....However, I wonder why they would pass one that exhibits such manufacturing flaws on the mounting edge?.....Especially at the assumed time when they were just putting the G/K43 sniper systems together?.....This is something that one might generally see on some last ditch type mount.....Bodes

**bodes** · 07-04-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Nigromontanus View Post

All these mounts were cast and then machined! Some better, some worse.

I think I have the best database on ZF4. This would be the earliest use of the round 214 mount. Next is 9374. Since on 9374 the 214 eagle is already on the right side of the mount, whereas on this mount it is still on the left, the combination of mount and scope is definitely original.

I believe this is an ongoing topic that has been debated for some time.......Some say cast and other say forged....Bodes

**bodes** · 07-04-2014, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Nigromontanus View Post

I was wrong, dow 5163 has also round 214 mount.

I do not often write that much, but is a bit annoying to see an original called a fake.

In fairness, it can be just as annoying when something that has a manufacturing flaw is labeled as "late war"......Bodes

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