G33 vs. K98

[pitfighter]

I decided to do a sound signature comparison based on my memory of shooting these two from my collection.

I have been telling people for a long time that the slightly shorter barrel and metal buttplate combined with lighter weight, did not affect the recoil, muzzle flash or sound signature of the Jaeger rifle.
(I have shot them both a lot, but clearly am mentally deficient.)

Well, I did my comparison test, and actually I filmed it four times to try to get a result that was closer to my description - I wasn't going down without a fight, lol.
By the fourth filming - the one in the clip below - my shooting partners were starting to make fun of me pretty badly - they all knew what I was trying to prove, and the futility of it was not lost on them.

It seems there is a difference, and to my frustration as the rifle heated up, the flash seemed to get bigger, lol.

Anyway - here's the clip - make your own judgement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb6zZJ5aIew

[Bob in OH]

Well, physics alone tells you a greater recoil happens with a lighter firearm. If the 33/40 is 5% less massive, the recoil is 5% greater, no?

[brus]

Agree about physic factor weight/recoil as everyone known.
At my eyes, looking at your video, G33 seems to have a bigger muzzle flash than K98.
An interesting test

Regards
brus

[Bigdibbs88]

there is absolutely a difference in felt recoil, as well as muzzle rise, muzzle flash, etc.

[pitfighter]

there is absolutely a difference in felt recoil, as well as muzzle rise, muzzle flash, etc.

Guys, clearly the irony I had hoped was self evident was lost in my poor writing.

I thought after shooting the rifles separately in the past there wasn't much difference - and posted here and on other boards that the effects were hardly discernible - physics is great on paper, but often doesn't hold out in the field.
Different stock angle, the G33 is not a shortened K98, it's a different rifle.
(See, I'm still trying to defend my previous position.)

When I did the comparison test it is clear however, there is a huge difference.

The video was posted as an admission of my defeat - I was wrong.

I quite enjoyed making this, so if there are any other things you'd like tested I will do so - we have a sizable WW2 inventory:

[DTVPKING]

The shorter the barrell is you get less bullet speed since there is less time for the gases to push the projectile, and that adds to the muzzle flash because the same reason. + the rifle is shorter than a k98 and less heavy, but that weght is not lost on the stock or the mechanism but on the front, what means more maneuvrability but the same act adds to the recoil because the brunt of the rifle is more to the back than the front like on the k98.
But that doesnt mean its less deadly... since its an bolt action it doesnt matter really...

[brus]

... physics is great on paper, but often doesn't hold out in the field...

Quite disagree. For example, try to shoot with Carcano '91 rifle and then with '91 Cavalry carbine or, using the more powerfull .303 BR, with Enfield N.4 and then with N.5 Jungle carbine... you can feel the difference directly on your shoulder

Regards
brus

[Bob in OH]

Quite disagree. For example, try to shoot with Carcano '91 rifle and then with '91 Cavalry carbine or, using the more powerfull .303 BR, with Enfield N.4 and then with N.5 Jungle carbine... you can feel the difference directly on your shoulder

Regards
brus

Correct. Respectfully, physics (recoil) does NOT change by how one positions the rifle against the shoulder etc. Further, if you are keeping things the same with ammo, you also would want to keep "things" the same in other ways too such as tightness of grip... placement into the shoulder. Otherwise, your experiment is flawed.

[pitfighter]

Please enjoy the video and have a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

I might recommend not trying to analyze it, or my comments too much -

I made it for fun - not scientific reasons.

Brus - if you find yourself in the US on the left side, come and shoot any of those firearms you mention in my collection - my main area of collecting is WW2 self loading, but, I have the more common surplus stuff as well.
I will give you the G33 and K98 to shoot, with one round from each, you will be surprised (maybe not) you can also test the No5 and the No4 or the MN variants, or indeed the illustrious Carcano, Steyr 95, Winchester Trapper, Garand Tanker, or Persian carbines - you'll need a valium for your shoulder pain the next day, though.

Pit.

[Wilhelm]

From watching your video it looked to me like there was visible "flame" from the G33's muzzle, and it did sound louder. Can't comment on recoil. Just my 2 Pfennigs.
Wilhelm

[brus]

...
Brus - if you find yourself in the US on the left side, come and shoot any of those firearms you mention in my collection - my main area of collecting is WW2 self loading, but, I have the more common surplus stuff as well.
I will give you the G33 and K98 to shoot, with one round from each, you will be surprised (maybe not) you can also test the No5 and the No4 or the MN variants, or indeed the illustrious Carcano, Steyr 95, Winchester Trapper, Garand Tanker, or Persian carbines - you'll need a valium for your shoulder pain the next day, though.

Pit.

OK Pit, maybe a day I'll be in US, thanks for your offer

Regards and Happy 2014
Brus