MP 40 old spec uk

[martin hall]

Hi guys out of interest what the going rate on these in the uk , at pressent thanks for any help martin.

[roughshooter]

Hi Martin,

Would need better photos (markings, makers code, etc) but bare minimum £1800 on that one, more if it has matching numbers.

Their is also a mag loader in the photo. These are heavily faked so detailed photos are required on that too but they make at least £85 these days.

Regards Craig.

[LES Y]

Depending on markings, whether all matching serial numbers, condition, and if the Deact. Cert. is present, in a private sale it would be in the £1800-£2000 mark. If you offer it to a dealer expect offers in the £1400 - £1500 range.

As Craig said better photos are needed.

Les

[Satcong101]

For a nice old spec MP40, 2k seems about the going rate now in the UK.

Thanks Simon.

[lew07]

From what Ive seen old spec 2000 Pounds or so.New spec 1000 Pounds.I believe the much discussed Tenbury Guns have some at the moment.

[LES Y]

The MP 40s being sold by Tenbury guns are European Deacts that have been modified and then certificated by the owner of the company not the Proof House.
New spec SMG's should have welded solid bolts with rings in the receiver tube so that the Bolt cannot be removed. The Tenbury guns have moving and removable parts. That is why their ads state "Old Spec Style"
As for the legality of the guns, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't buy one

[Totenhead]

The MP 40s being sold by Tenbury guns are European Deacts that have been modified and then certificated by the owner of the company not the Proof House.
New spec SMG's should have welded solid bolts with rings in the receiver tube so that the Bolt cannot be removed. The Tenbury guns have moving and removable parts. That is why their ads state "Old Spec Style"
As for the legality of the guns, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't buy one

As long as they conform to EU law, is that not ok ? The EU over-rides all our other laws here now, and is trying to re-write them, so I cant see why the government can complain, we let them walk all over us regarding everything else !!

[merdock]

Hi,
The EU do's not override all rules, even in Europe firearms rules are different country to country.
Mark

[Totenhead]

Hi,
The EU do's not override all rules, even in Europe firearms rules are different country to country.
Mark

Mark,

It is not a legal requirement that a firearm be de-activated in this country

The definition of a deactivated weapon is as follows:
1.Altering of key components of the weapon in such a way that, as the 1988 Firearms (Amendment) Act states 'it has been rendered incapable of discharging any shot, bullet or other weapon and has consequently ceased to be a firearm within the meaning of the Act'.
2.Legal deactivation does not necessarily involve submitting the weapon to a Proof House. Deactivation proofing provides 'evidential proof' that a weapon has been deactivated, BUT IT IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEACTIVATION OF A FIREARM IN THIS COUNTRY. In short any deactivated weapon can be legal as long as it meets the requirements in point 1 above. A deactivated weapon can only be illegal if it can be shown (proved) that it is indeed capable of discharging a shot, bullet or other weapon. The Home Office Publication, Firearms Law Guidance to the Police quotes in section 2.3:


2.3 Section 8 of the 1988 Act provides that, unless it can be shown otherwise, a firearm which has been deactivated to a standard approved by the Secretary of State so that it is incapable of discharging any shot bullet or other missile, is presumed not to be a firearm within the meaning of the principal Act and therefore not subject to control if it bears a mark approved by the Secretary of State for denoting that fact. The 1988 Act requires that one of the two Proof Houses or some other person designed by the Secretary of State has marked the firearm and certified in writing that it has been deactivated to the approved standard.

Section 8 is an evidential provision and does not preclude the possibility that a firearm which has been deactivated in some other manner may also have ceased to be a firearm within the meaning of the principal Act.
3.We also benefit from the European Weapons Directive 91/477 EEC which was subsumed into UK law by virtue of the 1992 Firearms Act. This directive forms the minimum standard of Firearms control throughout the EEC. It states:


(a)“ For the Purposes of this Annex objects which correspond to the definition of a firearm shall not be included in that definition if they:

have been rendered permanently unfit for use by the application of technical procedures which are guaranteed by an official body or recognised by such a body;"

Therefore weapons proofed as inert or deactivated in other countries (by an official body) may be perfectly legal as long as they conform to the requirements of point 1 above and contain no functional component parts

[jujuy]

that's not true in the real life. Each country stays with its own laws about guns deactivated or not.
TYry to import a french deca gun in england and just wait the customs open the parcel!

[mightymouse]

What Tenbury Guns are doing undermines every change that the Home Office have made to deactivation laws since 1995. It seems unlikely they will be able to continue to do what they are doing for much longer.

[SiPo]

Unfortunately, there are slight misinterpretations of the law being stated here.

If you try and bring a deact in from another country without going through the correct channels or procedures you could get yourself in serious trouble and lose the item.

If you want to bring a deact into this country it should be imported as a live weapon through a firearms dealer who should then transport it to a proof house who will ensure it is deactivated to UK standards. The proof house will then stamp it to prove it conforms.

One must also bear in mind that other countries deacts are butchered in comparison.