Hi is this M1A1 an original unmessed with gun. I'm after one which is not reblued and not messed with.
Thanks kindly.
Thanks kindly.
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The Thompson is a field unto itself. The experts will weigh in. They are very expensive. Is this one live? If not it has been messed with. Good luck.
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Ok: I'll take a stab at this since no one else has.
My understanding is that in New Zealand you are allowed to own live machine guns but you can't shoot them. If the above example is live it appears to be unmodified but has seen considerable use over the years.
Please understand the limitation of judging this from pictures and that one would need to examine it in hand and do a field strip to be able to tell you more.
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from the pics, parkerized finish seems to be original and not redone.Comment
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Thanks for the help. Yes in New Zealand we can own live machine guns, such as this example but they cannot be fired.Comment
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Thompson.
Still a nice find. I have one that's like this (Wartime and a 1928 model also) and I don't see any major problems. The receiver does have a different shade though from the rest of the gun along with a hard life as was stated. Additional photos would be better for an overall view.
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To use an analogy:Originally posted by robs View Post
This "No fire" situation has always struck me as being permitted to enter a house of ill repute but then being told it Hands Off!
JimComment
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These guns originally left the factory blued. This one has been refinished (parkerized) at some point.
The US Army put these through a depot rebuild program after they were taken out of the hands of troops. This gun might have been refinished then, or again later. This rebuild program left the guns with mismatched serial numbers as no effort was made to keep the serial numbered receivers and frames together. After rebuild, the guns were placed into war emergency reserve stocks. Many were later furnished as military assistance to foreign nations including Korea and Viet Nam.
The receiver and everything attached to it appears to be correct for an M1A1, which is how its marked. The lower (frame) has features peculiar to the earlier M1 model, including plain milled safety and pivot levers and the M1928A1 style magazine latch. This latch has the square boss on the front which mated to a drum magazine, which the M1 would not take. This type of latch was used on early M1 TSMGs.Comment
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Thanks for the info regarding parkerising vs original blue. I have to add this is a lend lease Russian but the price is right. Vendor advises the lower receiver serial matches the upper.
What is the general consensus regarding refurbishment of lend lease guns. Has it ever come to light when this occurred? ie before they were shipped by the US to Russia during the war or post war for arsernal stores?Comment
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The ones I have seen from Russia which were all in the form of parts kits were blued. I have literally seen hundreds of these as one of the principle importers is a friend and I have examined them in his warehouse. I can think of no reason for the Russians re-finishing these as they were generally just put into storage and not used.
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My M1A1 came out of Russia and was imported from the Chech republic last year. It is also parkerized. It has some storage wear and light condensation surface rust on it but the weapon was unfired.Last edited by racefiets; 09-14-2013, 06:39 AM.Comment
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Check the inside surfaces to see if they are blued.... I cant tell,, This may be a "dulite' finish,, which is the factory finish on these guys......while technically a blued finish which actually appears closer to a parked finish on the outside but is blue blued on the inside.
HTH!!
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Du-Lite is a blue finish, but on most military weapons the metal was sandblasted before blueing. The areas inside the weapon that were not sandblasted appear a bright blue. The phosphate (Parkerized) finish on virtually all U.S. military weapons was applied after sandblasting also.
The Du-Lite finish over sandblasting is a blue/gray finish where the phosphate is a green/grey finish. This is a US&S 1911A1 finished in Du-Lite blue over sandblasting.
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Johnny- You are a true font of information! I am glad you are here and post often!
Thank you for sharing all that you do here,
EricOriginally posted by Johnny Peppers View PostDu-Lite is a blue finish, but on most military weapons the metal was sandblasted before blueing. The areas inside the weapon that were not sandblasted appear a bright blue. The phosphate (Parkerized) finish on virtually all U.S. military weapons was applied after sandblasting also.
The Du-Lite finish over sandblasting is a blue/gray finish where the phosphate is a green/grey finish. This is a US&S 1911A1 finished in Du-Lite blue over sandblasting.
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