does this have a chance of being real? its for PPK. thanks. DJ
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The holster that you show in the first few photos is for a Luger (P.08) without any qestion....very different in size and style from a PPK holster. I am on a fence from the photos if the holster is orginal or a reproduction and I would need to see it person to tell for sure. If it is period it has been re-dyed and lost all finish to the leather. Regardless of if the holster is pre 45 or not the TK stamp on it is fake IMO.
The holster that you show in the last photo set is good and I think that the TK stamp on it is as well.Last edited by phild; 07-20-2013, 12:13 AM.Comment
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thanks Phil
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Originally posted by maestro View Postthanks Phil
DJ, Google PPK holster or look at some of the dealer sites for these...even ebay and you will find what they look like....they can vary a little in style, but they are much different than these Luger hard shell type of holsters.
The are some who do not accept any of the TK stamps on holsters as real, but I am sure that many are and that this stamping was used to some degree by the the SS (SSTV??) on some equipment for some period of time and for some reason.....I have seen items with these stamps straight from vet hands and out of the woodwork both in the US and Germany for at least 40 years now.Comment
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There is no doubt that the holster itself is pre 45. The marking looks pretty good..from known examples it should be further to the right of the closure strap. Is the marking authentic? You may never know.Comment
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Two questions. Do manufacturer marks appear on the holster? Are they from WW1 period or later?Comment
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its hard to see any markings from the seller's pictures, but here's the link:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/194...n_id=100346004
thanks fellows.Comment
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Are they from WW1 period or later?
They will be from after WW1 as this is a WW2 type holster. This design was incorporated in about 1926 and used until they quit making Luger holsters.Comment
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If I am understanding your comment correctly the back of the mag pouch being integral to the back of the holster is a design change implemented about mid-Weimar era. I had heard that some commercial manufacturers of P08 holsters had tried this change in the Imperial period. Is that information incorrect? I can understand how military spec would dictate construction standards for a holster they are procuring. But Imperial, Wiemar or Nazi period I wonder about commercial standards necessarily mirroring military.Originally posted by Jerry Burney View PostLast edited by sszza2; 07-21-2013, 05:34 PM.Comment
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I can understand how military spec would dictate construction standards for a holster they are procuring. But Imperial, Wiemar or Nazi period I wonder about commercial standards necessarily mirroring military.
Simply put there was no necessity for these changes until the military specifications made them. Commercial holsters are usually lightly used..Of course anything could take place on the commercial market but the Military/Police dictated the changes in 1926 to the Luger holster. Just as Mauser changed the design of the German Luger about the same time.
The commercial market was so tiny that it would be impossible to have much of any comparisons. Commercial holsters were also rarely dated. After WW1 Germany must have been awash in Luger holsters. There would have been no need to make many for the commercial market.
I had heard that some commercial manufacturers of P08 holsters had tried this change in the Imperial period. I guess this is conceivable but I have never heard or read of such a change during this period. I don't know how it could possibly be documented anywhere but if it is please let me know where.Comment
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I don't disagree with what you are saying. I heard the theory about some commercial holsters having this improvement from Bill Mohr back in the early 80's. Bill (now deceased) was a longtime Luger collector who contributed to Costanzo and as I recall Kenyon. I don't recall him showing me a document but I do recall him showing me a couple holsters as examples. As you said it is conceivable that such an improvement could have been implemented earlier. Until we find hard evidence we can only operate based on what we do know as opposed to what we don't.Originally posted by Jerry Burney View Post
On a related topic - aside from the aforementioned design improvement in 1926 how would you suggest determining the date and manufacturer of black P08 holsters sanitary of markings? Given the lack of markings is it safe to assume produced for commercial sales?Last edited by sszza2; 07-22-2013, 10:02 AM.Comment
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