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    Mg34/42 tool kit sleeve? Original?

    Hello,

    I came across an mg34/42 tool kit (link below) and was wondering about the tool kit sleeve, as I have never before seen one marked WaA4?? I have seen one before being sold by French dealers as original and throughout Europe, but theirs was a fake and was marked WaA4 proof also!

    Any thoughts??

    Thanks

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/german-mg3...item4d0e2ecd5d
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    Anyone??

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      #3
      the sleeve is original, waa4 marked ones do exist of course, if you search on here, there is a link to a bsw portugese contract kit, that are always waa4 marked - waa4 is the correct marking for bsw/gustloff werke

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        #4
        hello phil337,

        i'm sorry but i do still feel this one is a fake, not only from the way the WaA4 is stamped into the metal, but also the stencils look new inside, not used. Please feel free to post picture of other sleeve marked WaA4.... any more opinions??

        thank you

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          #5
          Originally posted by Paul Ba View Post
          hello phil337,

          i'm sorry but i do still feel this one is a fake, not only from the way the WaA4 is stamped into the metal, but also the stencils look new inside, not used. Please feel free to post picture of other sleeve marked WaA4.... any more opinions??

          thank you
          Not sure what you mean by stencils?, but i cant post pictures of waa4 marked ones as i dont have any pictures saved - you need to use whats called a "search" function on here, there is a thread with a link to a portugese contract kit, the sleeve is marked waa4 as per the kit in the listing. - please show me your fake waa4 marked ones you have seen? i have never personally seen any fake waa4 marked ones of these anywhere.

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            #6
            the "stencils" are the white tool shaped markings on the inside...

            Please would you be kind enough to post the thread where the link is, as I have used the search button, but couldn't find it??

            i have no pictures of the ones i saw, but i saw them on french stand at some shows.

            thank you

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              #7
              took me a few seconds, noticed the same waa4 - these are Portugese contract kits, made by bsw/gustloff werke, certainly not fake as you suggest

              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=tool+kit

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                #8
                Originally posted by phil337 View Post
                took me a few seconds, noticed the same waa4 - these are Portugese contract kits, made by bsw/gustloff werke, certainly not fake as you suggest

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=tool+kit
                Why are you taking so much offence? I only kindly asked regarding the markings on the sleeve. The link you show doesn't actually show the toolkit sleeve, only the markings on the markings on the outer ammo tin.... so where have you seen WaA4 on the sleeve?! thanks

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                  Picture removed.
                  Last edited by Paul Ba; 07-04-2013, 11:04 AM.

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                    #10
                    It is also my understanding/view that these WaA4 marked tool sleeves are not original- surely the Gustloff plant would have coded the sleeve also with '936', or 'dfb' or BSW to show that they had made it? The French guys have and do make these sleeves and I agree that this is one of them. The only pressed steel items that the Gustloff factory have made are the early 1938 double mg ammo tins.
                    Think about it- dfb were not major stamping manufacturers- they didnt make mg34/42 pressed top covers- they were contracted out to Grossfuss- likewise with their mg42 receivers which were also made elsewhere.
                    This is purely my opinion based on what I have learned through a good few years of looking and handling this stuff. It is my belief that the WaA4 company would not neglect to stamp the manufacturer logo on such a piece- like they did on most of their other stuff- for example even small simple things like the mg13/34 spanner!
                    Last edited by mightymouse; 07-04-2013, 10:51 AM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mightymouse View Post
                      It is also my understanding/view that these WaA4 marked tool sleeves are not original- surely the Gustloff plant would have coded the sleeve also with '936', or 'dfb' or BSW to show that they had made it? The French guys have and do make these sleeves and I agree that this is one of them. The only pressed steel items that the Gustloff factory have made are the early 1938 double mg ammo tins.
                      Think about it- dfb were not major stamping manufacturers- they didnt make mg34/42 pressed top covers- they were contracted out to Grossfuss- likewise with their mg42 receivers which were also made elsewhere.
                      This is purely my opinion based on what I have learned through a good few years of looking and handling this stuff. It is my belief that the WaA4 company would neglect to stamp the manufacturer logo on such a piece- like they did on most of their other stuff- for example even small simple things like the mg13/34 spanner!
                      Thank you, the french guys you mention have these, with the same stamps - and as i was saying before, the condition of the sleeve and the white stencils all looks wrong to me. The french sellers make lot of mg34/42 fakes now, and you see them all around being sold as original as is the case here!

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                        #12
                        I just looked at the pictures of the linked toolkit- looks like that this is one that has been put together- the wooden handles are not original- the oiler of this kind was not issued with these kits. Still, as long as the price does not go crazy, it is worth having- fake parts or not- just dont pay as much as you would for a nice mint one that came from the Portuguese contract lot.

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                          #13
                          I would say the price it is at know is O.K, but if goes much higher...

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Paul Ba View Post
                            Why are you taking so much offence? I only kindly asked regarding the markings on the sleeve. The link you show doesn't actually show the toolkit sleeve, only the markings on the markings on the outer ammo tin.... so where have you seen WaA4 on the sleeve?! thanks

                            Apologies if im coming across that way,but can you not see the same waa4 marking on the sleeve?,i can its hard to make out but beleive me its waa4 - find another portugese contract one and you will see the same waa4 markings, im still not convinced this one is fake at al but most likeley the sleeve was from portugese contract. Also be carefull posting pictures from sellers listings without first asking permission, its against copyright, i only know because it landed me in some trouble once before.

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                              #15
                              No problem! I can see the WaA marking you mean, but not that it is the same WaA4 marking without closer picture. i'm no real expert on thse things, but I have had a few in the past and I have never found a WaA4 marked example, unless they are rare?! Picture kindly removed, and sorry to seller for posting..

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