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    RARE German Mauser Target Rifle

    RARE German Mauser Target Rifle

    Hello All,
    I recently acquired another GI Bring-Back Wehrmannsgewehr. This is a rather rare variation and I have never seen one of these in the flesh, only in pictures. There seems to be very little information around about these and I'm wondering if any forum members own one or have seen one of these before. It is called a Wehrmanns-Scheiben-Buchse.
    It is a single-shot with a solid steel "tube" type receiver. It has only a small opening for inserting and ejecting the cartridge. The top of the receiver has a "T-slot" for an axillary diopter sight. The finish around the slot is unmarred so I think it never had one of these sights in place. I would of course like to find such a diopter sight, if anyone knows the where-a-bouts of where one might be had, or at least pictured.
    One of the unusual stampings found on the rifle is a small "star" before the serial number on the barrel . I have never seen this before and would like to know if anyone would have an idea what this is?
    Top of barrel behind the rear sight is marked "BLG. Sch. H." for "lead bullets".
    Also, the bottom of the barrel is marked: "156.14" - "7.7" - "8.05" - "360" & "CH15". I recognize all these marks (gage, bore, groove, & twist) except for the "CH15" mark, I don't know this one either.
    The stock shows a much worn "DKP" faded brand. In researching, I found reference to DKP meaning "Deutschkonservative Partei" - "Deutches Conservative Party" from about 1900 until 1918. I also found a reference to DKP meaning "Deutsche Kommunistische Partei" - "Deutsches Communist Party", but that "DKP" didn't start until after 1968, so I'm thinking this DKP must be in reference to the former party. The stock also has an interesting silver shooting "plaque" from the 20th Deutsches Bundessschiessen held in Leipzig in 1934.
    Although the rifle exhibits considerable handling marks, it still has a MINT bore. Everything is original and matching except for a single rear triggerguard screw which has a different number. And, as my luck would have it, this rifle has a very obvious "duffel-bag" cut. But, it does NOT have the typical kind of cut that is neatly hidden under the forend band like most - this one is cut right in the open directly in the center of the lower forearm between the front cap and the forward band. I sure wish I knew what the "$#@%" was this GI thinking when he did this?
    Any and all comments are welcome.












    Last edited by buckstix; 01-16-2013, 06:14 PM.

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    The cartridge is a well known target round usually chambered in "Schutzfest" single shot target rifles of the falling block variety. This caliber is somewhat obsolete. However there are custom reloaders who still make it available for those that still participate in Schutzfests". I have a truly beautiful 1900's German made target rifle in this caliber.
    Jim

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      #3
      Originally posted by james m View Post
      The cartridge is a well known target round usually chambered in "Schutzfest" single shot target rifles of the falling block variety. This caliber is somewhat obsolete. However there are custom reloaders who still make it available for those that still participate in Schutzfests". I have a truly beautiful 1900's German made target rifle in this caliber.
      Jim

      That is a rare and great looking rifle

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        #4
        Yes, I know that. I also have several of the fancy German Schuetzen rifles, like this Rare Burgsmueller. I shoot a lot of 8.15x46R in those and my other Wehrmannsgewehrs. But for right now, I'd be interested in getting more information on the Mauser Wehrmanns-Scheiben-Buchse that I have pictured in my original post. I'm looking for anyone that may have one of those, or who has seen one of them.
























        Last edited by buckstix; 01-16-2013, 11:26 PM.

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          #5
          Absolutely beautiful, and OP's rife is a very interesting piece!

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            #6
            Beautiful examples and welcome to the Forum! As far as the rifle in your initial post goes, I have never handled one in the flesh. I had heard rumours of one in a collection in Santa barbara but never was able to wrangle up a face to face with the owner so don't know if the tale was real or just fairly tale.

            It is a fantastically rare rifle and a very nice find! Bill Grist may have one (he has almost one of everything else!) but I have never heard him speak of one.

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              #7
              This is the Rear Sight I need for my rifle.

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                #8
                The maker mark is unclear. Is it "Mauserwerk AKG Oberndorf"? Can you date it with any of the German commercial catalogs? I would also try the k98kforum.com. You might get some contact with Jon Speed.

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                  #9
                  Mauser Target Rifle

                  Hi,
                  I was employed at a gunmaker's from 1962 - 1974 and I've always had a love of the Kar98k and would give an arm (and possibly both legs) for a mint '44 or '45 -dated example!
                  However I must express my complete respect for that Burgsmueller rifle - there's an example of gunmaking ability at it's finest!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Perfekt in every respect - sheer craftsmanship - but I'd still rather have a Kriegsmodell Kar98k!
                  Seriously though - that is one fine piece.
                  Thanks for sharing it with us,
                  Grossfuss

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                    #10
                    Is the rifle that started this thread a military training rifle or is it a pre-war civilian sporter? Give the "oddball" caliber, my assumption has been that this is a civilian sporting item.

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                      #11
                      It was built at Oberndorf in 1930. Its not a military trainer. It was used for competition in "Service Rifle" class.

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                        #12
                        Superb find buckstix!! Superb Scheibenwaffe as well.

                        I talk to a gentleman at the arms collector shows here on the East Coast. His name is Bill Loos and he co-authored 3 books on Scheibenwaffen. Do you know him? I will see him this coming weekend so maybe he can help. I am developing an interest in the pre-WWII German target arms and we chat at every show.
                        Willi

                        Preußens Gloria!

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                          #13
                          Yes, I know Bill. REmind him to keep an eye out for Mauser Sights. I also just acquired an Einheitsgewehr that has been robbed of sights. I'll be posting some pics of that rifle soon.

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                            #14
                            The covered breech is really fascinating. Here is some additional discussion on these rifles.

                            http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread....ehrmannsgewehr

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                              #15
                              I realize this thread is a few years old, but I just found this link while doing some research;

                              http://www.feuerbixler.de/history25.html

                              I now own several Schützen rifles and am in the process of developing some loads.
                              Willi

                              Preußens Gloria!

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                              Sapere aude

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