Inglis Hi-power wood holster/stock. Is this period or repro?

[hottoddy]

Who says black Friday is for the malls and big box stores? I took myself to a yard sale this morning and picked up a few things. If this checks out, it'll be the best buy of the day! I know they make (or made) really accurate reproductions of these and I really don't know the difference. The wood seems to be high quality, plus there are a few markings that I don't see on the reproductions. I'm inclined to think it is good, but I can't say for sure.

Also, I see the new ones listed for $100, what do the real ones go for?





Damn that looks nice:

[Seaforth72]

Good Inglis stock I believe

Looks good. I was stuck with a fake, apparently made in Chine but with the markings and fake markings. The big thing I was told to look for was the gaps between the wood and the metal fittings. The originals fit like a glove. The fakes fit like ... well, a ski-mitt. Lots of space between metal and wood, especially at corners.

I have been tokd that a lot of original unfinished stocks/holsters were sold to US buyers and some people made up new butt cap assemblies.

I want a better condition holster/stock for my Inglis No. 1 Mk. I* (Chinese contract, tangent sight)
:-)

Colin

[hottoddy]

Well that's good news!

I was told a similar thing about how tight the parts fit; if you toss a Chinese one on the pistol it tends to wobble around a lot. Unfortunately I don't have an example to test it out!

[james m]

I can confirm that the Chinese made wooden stocks whether for a High Power or C96 are woobly.
Jim

[hottoddy]

Micrometer anyone?

The top horizontal portion of the "T" is about .325" and the vertical portion is .225"

How much do the real ones go for?

[Bill Grist]

Nice and original....... BILL

[Jerry Burney]

Bill..Perhaps you can answer this for me concerning these stocks. I have one exactly like the one shown to include the white substance shown in the muzzle area.. second to last photo with the top open . This stuff appears to be there to cushion the pistol at the muzzle.
At first..being totally unfamiliar with this stock I thought it might have been placed there by Bubba..The Inglis High Power pistol I put into the stock fit VERY tightly because of it. I tried to get it out but it is in there for the duration.
After seeing this stock..Can I be assured that this white spongy stuff is original to original Inglis High Power stocks? It seems so as it is also in this one!
It makes the pistol fit so tightly I was nervous about damage to the spring closure.
If you can shed any light here I would appreciate it!

I bought my stock on line and paid $200 which I think is about market price?

lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net

[Bill Grist]

Bill..Perhaps you can answer this for me concerning these stocks. I have one exactly like the one shown to include the white substance shown in the muzzle area.. second to last photo with the top open . This stuff appears to be there to cushion the pistol at the muzzle.
At first..being totally unfamiliar with this stock I thought it might have been placed there by Bubba..The Inglis High Power pistol I put into the stock fit VERY tightly because of it. I tried to get it out but it is in there for the duration.
After seeing this stock..Can I be assured that this white spongy stuff is original to original Inglis High Power stocks? It seems so as it is also in this one!
It makes the pistol fit so tightly I was nervous about damage to the spring closure.
If you can shed any light here I would appreciate it!

I bought my stock on line and paid $200 which I think is about market price?

lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net

Hello Jerry, I have seen several Inglis H/P stocks with a white foam rubber on the inside to cushion the pistol...BILL

[Jerry Burney]

Bill, Thanks! I thought it was white felt at first but it's deffinately some sort of soft plastic foam as you say. Sure makes the top hard to close. I have another Inglis stock where the spring steel sheet metal catch has been broken and will not work anymore. This would be very difficult to repair as it is riveted in. The tight fitting catch with the foam insert made me nervous about it..

[hottoddy]

I'll be damned, that is foam.

I thought it was felt or some such material as well. I had to go back and look at mine!

[Jerry Burney]

Toddy..Does your Inglis pistol fit tight? When I close the lid it's compressing the pistol into the foam and it's a little tight. The pistol won't rattle that's for sure!

Jerry

[hottoddy]

I wish I had a pistol to try it out

[Seaforth72]

This Inglis/S.A.Ltd. Holster C No. 1 Mk. I is now back in Canada

This stock is now back in Canada and married to a Canadian made Chinese contract Inglis pistol SN 2CH7###.




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Who says black Friday is for the malls and big box stores? I took myself to a yard sale this morning and picked up a few things. If this checks out, it'll be the best buy of the day! I know they make (or made) really accurate reproductions of these and I really don't know the difference. The wood seems to be high quality, plus there are a few markings that I don't see on the reproductions. I'm inclined to think it is good, but I can't say for sure.

Also, I see the new ones listed for $100, what do the real ones go for?





Damn that looks nice:

[hottoddy]

I am very happy you were able to find the right lady for this holster.

Even if I found a proper pistol to attach it to, and if I found the money, and if I could get the pistol permit before someone else buys it, I would still have to wrestle with what the state of New Jersey considers a "short-barreled rifle" (and that is no fun).

I look forward to the pictures

[Seaforth72]

Holster C No. 1 Mk. I

This stock is now back in Canada and married to a Canadian made Chinese contract Inglis pistol SN 2CH7###. \

How this C No. 1 Mk. I stock looks now, married up to a Chinese contract Canadian made Inglis in the 2CH7### range. A special thank you to "hottoddy" in New Jersey for making this "reunion" possible. I cairred the No. 2 Mk. I* fixed sight model of this pistol as an officer in the Canadian Army.

The "C" prefix is for Chinese pattern, not Canadian.

Note the belt clip-loop. This is an original, new old stock belt clip. Canadian issue markled C/|\ and maker Z. L. & T. LTD. (Zephyr Loom and Textile Limited in Canada). These belt clips turn up occasionally at gun shows in Canada.

Note that this is NOT a fast draw rig! Also if worn on the right side, the butt faces forwards. If one wanted to draw the pistol while wearing it slung, the end cap hinges towards the body.

Many originals are stamped "S.A.LTD. over the years 1944 or 1945.

Some originals are stamped on the top centre with a tiny C/|\ and what appears to be an inspector's mark cartouche which a C/|\ and number e.g. 17. Note the British issue mark was the "Broad Arrow". The Canadian iussue mark in WWII was the Broad Arrow INSIDE a "C" and the "C" usually has a "serif" going vertically upwards for a chort distance. When typing it I express is a C/|\ as I cannot type the symbol.

The "MADE IN CANADA" marking is reportedly marked on some stocks that were imported into the USA post-war, showing the country of origin. ONe writer felt that originals were perhaps casually applied (thus sometimes angled to the metal fittings) whereas on the replicas the stamping is apparently lined up. I do not know except to say that the replica I had (yes I was fooled when I bought it but sold it as a replica once I was told with an original pistol) was marked MADE IN CANADA, neatly aligned below the hinge. That replica had loose (i.e. sloppy fitting of wood to metal.

I know that hundreds of thousands of original WWII F-S Fighting Knives (aka "Commando knives) were stamped "ENGLAND" for U.S. import reasons circa 1947-1948 to show the country of manufacture/origin. A tip - If the word "ENGLAND" is stamped on an F-S Fighting Knife (on top of the guard is normal, sometimes superimposed on old markings. If stamped on the bottom of the guard, the knife has probably be disassembled after importation, then reassembled.) then any alleged >>> WWII <<< "veteran's" story accompanying it is guaranteed to be fake, however ... some veterans bought or acquires these WWII knives surplus post-war and then carried them in the service - I did and so did a buddy who served in the Vietnam War.)

Replica Holster C No. 1 Mk. I holster-stocks are on the market. Some have original Canadian bodies with U.S. made wooden end caps and replica (as far as I know) metal hardware. I was told years ago that an American had apparently bought up a trunkload of original unfinished holster bodies. These can sometimes be spotted by the different wood - colour, aging etc. on the newer end cap.

The best way to spot replica Holsters C No. 1 Mk. I is the LOOSE FIT of the metal to wood. On the originals, it is EXACT! On the Chinese (apparently) made copies there are gaps between the wood and metal (wider than the proverbial playing cards on edge), especially at rounded corners.

Originals have the "JI" stamp on the side of the latch ("Lever, bracket, butt") (pronounced LEE-VER not LEH-VER by the way as it is Canadian made ;-) where the holster-stock attaches to the pistol butt as John Inglis made not only the pistols, but also the metal fittings for these holsters. On the originals, the "Lever Bracket Assembly (the part that slides into the butt of the pistol) is a TIGHT perfect fit to the wood and has to be gently tapped into place. Caution: If removing, it is the single bolt and after removing, there is a LOOSE plumber and coil spring which sit inside a hole in the wood to provide presure for the locking lever.

Although it was initially estimated that about 150,000 C No. 1 Mk. I wooden holsters would be required, only 29,038 were actually made. Of those 1,053 were held surplus when the contract was cancelled. 7,745 were made in 1944 and the balance in 1945.

Main reference: See Clive Law's book INGLIS DIAMOND - The Canadian High Power Pistol. Service Publications, Ottawa 2001 See pages 136-141.











Colin