Shot glass ammo shells, have you seen these?

[p-59a]

I found a dozen shot glass ammo shells at the swapmeet today. Some of the head stamp marks are, 38 12c P over 414 and the waffenampt stamp, another is marked, 38 4f P315 and the stamp, 38 10a P94 and the stamp, 38 111f P181 and the stamp, 38 4f P315 and the stamp, the last one is marked 37 26e P94 and the stamp. Any ides as to the caliber and what the head stamps denote and the type weapon these were used in? Also have any of you seen these before? Yours David

[Jerry Burney]

David..I fail to see how something like this could be fired in any weapon as is..Perhaps they were formed into the shotglass shape from a spent shell after firing?

[p-59a]

David..I fail to see how something like this could be fired in any weapon as is..Perhaps they were formed into the shotglass shape from a spent shell after firing?

Jerry, The firing pin marks on the primers indicate these were indeed spent shells that were later turned into shot glasses. I wanted to know what they were before they were turned into shot glasses and if this was common during war time or post war. The 1938 dates makes me wonder. They are well made, identical and look to be turned on a lathe and formed. Yours David

[MikeP]

Not exactly common to see them finished like this, but lots of things were done in this vein.
Another example of "trench art" done by someone with a lot of time, imagination, and access to machine tools.

These are cartidge cases-ammo shells is not a real accurate term.

[p-59a]

Not exactly common to see them finished like this, but lots of things were done in this vein.
Another example of "trench art" done by someone with a lot of time, imagination, and access to machine tools.

These are cartidge cases-ammo shells is not a real accurate term.

Thanks Mike, I'm not up on German munitions. I thought cartidge would be small caliber like rifle, pistol or MG. I'm guessing this is a 20mm cannon shell hence the use of ammo shell. I just saw one like these on the German section of e-pray, but it had no real information. Yours David

[rudolf]

These "shot glasses" were made of 20x138B cases. These were used in german Rheinmetall guns like Flak 38,...

P181 manufacturer
38 year
111f lotnumber
eagle = acceptance stamp

greetz

ps: i don't know if these glasses were made during the war or post-war

[me6_130]

These "shot glasses" were made of 20x138B cases. These were used in german Rheinmetall guns like Flak 38,...



greetz

ps: i don't know if these glasses were made during the war or post-war

Yep, I agree. I have seen several of these around, sometimes unit marked.

Carles

[p-59a]

Yep, I agree. I have seen several of these around, sometimes unit marked.

Carles

Charles, Thanks for the info, were they German or Allied unit marked? Do you recall the price? The guy on e-pray was asking $50.00 for one. That seems a bit pricey to me. Yours David

[p-59a]

These "shot glasses" were made of 20x138B cases. These were used in german Rheinmetall guns like Flak 38,...

P181 manufacturer
38 year
111f lotnumber
eagle = acceptance stamp

greetz

ps: i don't know if these glasses were made during the war or post-war

Thanks for the info, is thier a web site that has the makers codes? Yours David

[bodes]

These "shot glasses" were made of 20x138B cases. These were used in german Rheinmetall guns like Flak 38,...

P181 manufacturer
38 year
111f lotnumber
eagle = acceptance stamp

greetz

ps: i don't know if these glasses were made during the war or post-war

Yeah, These are unquestionably cut down 20mm brass shell casings......I used to have two that were German unit marked to an anti-aircraft unit....They were nicely stamped into the side and were lined with zinc or something inside.....

I would guess they were likely made during and after the war.....First, as a souvenirs for the German troops, and then for sale to occupying troops after the war ended.....Bodes

[TerryK]

Hi David

I use this site alot.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

Terry

[p-59a]

Hi David

I use this site alot.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

Terry

Thanks Terry, That was a good web site!!!! David

[p-59a]

Yeah, These are unquestionably cut down 20mm brass shell casings......I used to have two that were German unit marked to an anti-aircraft unit....They were nicely stamped into the side and were lined with zinc or something inside.....

I would guess they were likely made during and after the war.....First, as a souvenirs for the German troops, and then for sale to occupying troops after the war ended.....Bodes

Thanks Bodes for the info. David