Walther PP holster

[Stepdale]

Hello,
I recently purchased this holster with magazine from the son of the WW2 vet that brought it back. It originally had a pistol with it but his mother sold it without the son knowing it, but he thinks it was a PP or PPK. I have looked online and found, i believe, that there was no standardized holster for the PP or PPK, but rather more generic smaller holsters that could work with PP, PPK, Sig Sauer .32, etc. I have a PP, but it is packed away in a different location so I can't get to it to see if it fits, but the unmarked magazine looks to me to be for the PP and not the PPK. I would appreciate any input on the following questions:

- Is it a proper holster for a PP?
- Is the magazine for a PP?
- Does the brown holster signify Polizei or LW, or could pre-war brown holsters be used by any service based on the preferences of the soldier?
- Could someone give me a general price range for the holster and for the magazine? Pms are fine if you prefer not to post prices.
Thank you,
Dale

[Stepdale]

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[Jerry Burney]

i believe, that there was no standardized holster for the PP or PPK,

Dale..One might think that but there are many surviving examples of small auto holsters with clear ink stamped markings designating the holster to PP-PPK-Sauer 7,65 FN 1922 etc. They usually start out "NUR FUR..which means only for.

There were as well many small auto holsters that seem to be generic too..Not marked and will fit a variety of small auto pistols.

Your holster was a thing of beauty at one time..beautifully marked..it has seen some molestation and hard use as well as repairs. Hard to place any kind of accurate value on it..In a little better shape it could be above $200-250 but with initials carved into the top and the wear and repair..I would say realistically $85-100.

What is it for? I would agree it's a generic holster..it's for whatever fits. What kind of magazine is in it now? A Sauer?

The maker made a lot of Police holsters and yours has the little stubby winged Police Eagle on it. Might be for a 38H.

The brown might be indicative of the rural Police. Landgendarmerie (spelling?) black was used by the city Police. You will find Police daggers/bayonets follow this same pattern of color.

[Stepdale]

Jerry,
Not sure what pistol the magazine is for. I've searched the internet as time allows but the magazines for these smaller pistols are so similar that i haven't been able to match it to anything 100%, but I believe it is for a PP. What with being in the military and moving all the time, being overseas, etc., I haven't collected much in the way of firearms other than a few veteran bringbacks that i then had to keep stored at my parents' house. Once I can get my PP back, I'll see if it fits the magazine. I hope it matches as the PP is customs marked and would look much better with this holster than the cutdown US holster the veteran brought it back in (though i will never separate those two items since they came back together).
Thank you,
Dale

[Bill Grist]

Magazine is for a Sauer U Sohn 38h Pistol...BILL

[Matt Weber]

To answer your questions:

1. The holster is a police holster for a Sauer 38h. So no, it's not a correct holster for a Walther PP.

2. The magazine is also for a Sauer 38h. Not a PP. It is a later wartime version, with the "dimple" rather than the rivet. Base is stamped, and probably unmarked.

3. Brown holster does not signify Luftwaffe or police specifically. However, the holster is Police "eagle/B" proofed, so it is a proper Police holster, but not because it's brown, becaue it's Police marked.

4. These police marked Sauer holster are very common, and therefore prices tend to be much lower. Collectors can still obtain minty (un-issed) holsters like this, so condition hurts it as well. I would estimate anywhere from $75-$100.

Matt

[Stepdale]

To answer your questions:

1. The holster is a police holster for a Sauer 38h. So no, it's not a correct holster for a Walther PP.

2. The magazine is also for a Sauer 38h. Not a PP. It is a later wartime version, with the "dimple" rather than the rivet. Base is stamped, and probably unmarked.

3. Brown holster does not signify Luftwaffe or police specifically. However, the holster is Police "eagle/B" proofed, so it is a proper Police holster, but not because it's brown, becaue it's Police marked.

4. These police marked Sauer holster are very common, and therefore prices tend to be much lower. Collectors can still obtain minty (un-issed) holsters like this, so condition hurts it as well. I would estimate anywhere from $75-$100.

Matt

Thank you very much for all of the info!

[JoeW]

To answer your questions:

1. The holster is a police holster for a Sauer 38h. So no, it's not a correct holster for a Walther PP.

2. The magazine is also for a Sauer 38h. Not a PP. It is a later wartime version, with the "dimple" rather than the rivet. Base is stamped, and probably unmarked.

3. Brown holster does not signify Luftwaffe or police specifically. However, the holster is Police "eagle/B" proofed, so it is a proper Police holster, but not because it's brown, becaue it's Police marked.

4. These police marked Sauer holster are very common, and therefore prices tend to be much lower. Collectors can still obtain minty (un-issed) holsters like this, so condition hurts it as well. I would estimate anywhere from $75-$100.

Matt

You know Matt, I don't think that holster was intended for nor carried a Sauer 38. Look at the fit of the magazine in the pouch and the rub mark of the mag bottom edge on the underside of the flap. The mag sits too high and would leave a diagonal impression. The impression there is for a mag with a bottom parallel to the top of the pouch and almost the same length. There is no corresponding rub mark on the pouch left by the Sauer 38 mag dimple. I don't think it ever carried a Sauer 38 and one probably wouldn't fit.

The holster is dated 1938. The police wouldn't adopt the Sauer 38 for another year or two. I think two according to the info I provided Jim Cate for inclusion in his volume one work with van Gjin on Sauer pistols. The brown police accepted holster indicates use by either the Gendarmerie, the Motorized Gendarmerie or the Traffic Police. Judging from the lines in the muzzle area of the holster, I would say a Dreyse 1907 was carried in it, or perhaps a Sauer Behorden. It is difficult to judge relative lengths from single photos. But I got a Sauer Behorden issued to the Feldjagerkorps, then to the mot.Gendarmerie. A new brown holster was provided in 1938 to replace the original from 1933 that wore out.

Just a different view of the matter.