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    #1

    Bullet Damage on Coin

    Hi Guys

    My uncle took this off a dead german who was taken out by a heavy calibre something.

    Any ideas what type of projectile made these dents.

    The coin was originally caved in and my dad hammered it flat when he was a teenager.

    Any help appreciated.

    Ross
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    #2
    Some sort of tool mark and not a projectile.
    pseudo-expert

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      #3
      What about hollow nose and the circumstances it was found. And original caved in state it was in.

      As a technician by trade I find the tool theory a bit odd.

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        #4
        Looks like someone used it as a backing to a leather punch.

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          #5
          As someone who does not know much about bullets etc. Were there ever any hollow nose high calibre projectiles used ?

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            #6
            I agree that this looks like some kind of toolmarks, and not projectile damage. Soldiers often used coins to make various forms of trench art, perhaps this one was used for some project, that was then never finnished.

            What do you mean by 'heavy calibre something'?? A hollow nose bullet doesnt count as heavy caliber as far as I know, and this damage was not produced by such a bullet.

            Here are pictures of coins with real battle damage.
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              #7
              What I mean by heavy caliber is large diameter bullet. That is why I placed the ruler against the coin.

              Still haven't answered my question regarding large diameter hollow nose ie were they ever used ?

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                #8
                The tool theory is much more realistic than to think the coin was bullet struck twice in virtually the same place.

                As was mentioned, it was probably used as a backing plate for repairing a piece of equipment.

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                  #9
                  [QUOTE=Johnny Peppers;5345207]The tool theory is much more realistic than to think the coin was bullet struck twice in virtually the same place.



                  Two bullets fired from machine gun. Is that possible ?

                  Still no answer to my question. If there were no large diameter hollow nose bullets produced then that would quash the theory that the german was hit by a large gun. And I would leave it at that.
                  Last edited by Tsuba; 06-17-2012, 06:11 PM.

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                    #10
                    The use of hollow point (dum dum) ammunition has been forbidden in warfare for quite some time I believe due to an international agreement reached at the Hague Convention. I have never personally seen any military issue hollow point(nose) ammunition. I hope this answers your question.
                    Jim

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                      #11
                      Thanks for that Jim.

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                        #12
                        [QUOTE=Tsuba;5345211]
                        Originally posted by Johnny Peppers View Post
                        The tool theory is much more realistic than to think the coin was bullet struck twice in virtually the same place.



                        Two bullets fired from machine gun. Is that possible ?

                        Still no answer to my question. If there were no large diameter hollow nose bullets produced then that would quash the theory that the german was hit by a large gun. And I would leave it at that.
                        James M is correct that it was the Hague Convention that outlawed bullets such as the hollow point.

                        As to the other question; a machine gun close enough to put two bullets virtually in the same spot would have penetrated the coin with ease. Far enough away to only dent the coin, it would be lucky to print two consecutive shots in a 15 foot circle.

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                          #13
                          Thanks again guys. Nice to get logical answers which can be a bit hard on these forums sometimes.

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                            #14
                            "Nice to get logical answers which can be a bit hard on these forums sometimes."

                            It is hard to give logical answers when the person asking doesnt explain what war this coin was taken during, on what front, and calls bullets 'heavy caliber something', which sounds more like the description of an artillery shell.

                            JL

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                              #15
                              Coins hit by bullets that I've seen are severely bent, I'd be extremely surprised if the damaged to the coin was caused by any sort of projectile. Tool damage IMO.

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