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    K98k Unusual front band configuration

    Hi, I haven't seen this configuration on any K98k before and was wondering why it was done? My guess is that the front band spring is longer than it should be yet its construction seems correct. Also the rear band has a swing swivel does this mean its from a different rifle (it is Waffernamt)? I would guess the rifle has been captured as it is mismatched and shows bruising to the stock from being stacked with other rifles.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/7785500...in/photostream
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    #2
    Matt,

    This stock is from a VERY early 98k. Usually called a "Double band spring". I have only seen a few of these in my years of collecting and owned two of them . Mine were marked on the the side rail not on the the reciever and were coded s/1xx /G and S/1xx/K . It is a shame yo do not have the right receiver to go witht he stock.
    Bill

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      #3
      Hi,
      Thanks for your reply, the stock is laminated though, would that be correct? It is marked 655 under an eagle. Unfortunately it is an 1941 dated J.P Sauer and Sohn marked receiver. Is the swivel swing from early rifle you talk about then?
      Regards Matt

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        #4
        Matt,

        Missed the lamination as well as the lower band configueration. On second look I would have to say someone added this band spring at a later date. With that said for what it's worth the info I provided is correct for a authentic "double band spring" rifle.

        Bill

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          #5
          The stock is off of a 1940/41 Oberndorf Mauser (if the wood is marked 655 as you say) and is a standard single bandspring stock. The band with extra loop is off of something like a Standard Modell. The band spring is more than likely off of a Spanish Mauser and is longer than a K98k bandspring. So in order to fit the incorrect bandspring in, someone hacked up the band to compensate for the longer spring.

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            #6
            Hi,

            Thanks for your replies. I'm pretty sure it reads 655, its also stamped a lower case 'g' where the sling comes through the stock. That would explain it then, did the Germans use any of these contract rifles in WW2? Does anyone have any thoughts on whether its a captured rifle or not? The markings on the stock make it look like its been thrown down on top of other rifles as there are a number of circular indents on it, which is what I have seen in pictures of POWs throwing their guns onto piles.

            Another thing I'm curious about is that even though it is mismatched a majority of the parts come for the J.P Sauer plant, could this mean that if it was captured then it was captured with other rifles all produced in the same area and if so could this related to a particular regiment?

            Regards Matt

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              #7
              I've uploaded some new photos onto Flickr if these are of any help
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/7785500...in/photostream
              The front band has holes drilled in both sides which as far as I know doesn't feature on most of the K98ks I've seen

              Regards Matt

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                #8
                Hello!

                The front band is from Portuguese mauser M937.

                Best regards, Florent.

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                  #9
                  Hi,

                  Thanks for your reply, think you're right there, any ideas why its in the configuration it is? (I posted the rifle elsewhere and most people think its a post WW2 modification, which I have come to agree with although any other thoughts would be welcome)

                  Regards Matt

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                    #10
                    Hi Matt, Get a hold of the Fifth Edition of Robert W.D. Ball's "Mauser Military Rifles of the World". On page 331 there's a photo of the same type of modification. It was used to allow the use of a K98K band on a rifle using a narrower band. It was a German modification to use the Karbiner sling of the K98K. They used the set up a lot on captured Yugo M1924 riles.

                    Germany didn't waste anything in the way of weapons parts. Who's band is used is a good question, but it's more than likely off a captured mauser of some kind. I hope this helps you a bit. I looked at your photos and my mind said "I saw that somewhere recently...drove me nuts, but I found it

                    Jim

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                      #11
                      Hi Jim,

                      I'll have to add that one to the wish list. Would this be a WW2 or post WW2 modification then? Does the modification in the book also have the same cut in the band then?
                      It is mismatched to a certain extent so could the front band configuration have been on a M1924 originally but transferred to a K98k later if, for example, it was disassembled and the original rifle it was taken from could not be found so they just put it on a K98k instead?

                      Thanks this does help me quite a bit

                      Regards Matt

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                        #12
                        Hi Matt,

                        Yes it's aWWII modification, the one in the book is pretty much identical, it does not have the bottom sling swivel loop though.

                        As far as mix and match parts, it's possible the field work shops put the weapon togather. Also the Yugoslavians also used captured K98K's after the war and took them apart for repair and really never cared much if they mixed parts.

                        Jim

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                          #13
                          Hi Jim,

                          Thanks for your help, I've just ordered the book now.

                          So it could be a Yugoslavian captured one then? I did presume it had been captured partly due to the mixed parts and the bruising in the stock which makes it look like its been thrown down on a pile of other rifles like you see POWs doing.

                          Regards Matt

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                            #14
                            Matt,

                            You have already been told that this is a post war mod.

                            At some point you need to let it go..



                            ..

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                              #15
                              Hi,

                              Yeah sorry, my bad

                              Regards Matt

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