pricing question waffenmeister MG werkzeug toolkit

[Alan Smith]

Why would anyone go to the trouble of faking an item such as the stamped metal "tool holder" at issue? I mean, seriously: it would be a heck of a lot of trouble and expense to have metal stamping dies and other equipment set up to make this item. If I understand correctly, such item only sells for $250 USD or so.

IMO: The demand for repros of such items would seem to be extremely limited and just not worth the effort and expense.

Also, the BSW/Gustoff Werke "Wa4" proof is very commonly seen on the MG-13 and MG-34 items that came in from Portugal, so what is the problem with this marking on the item in question?

Am I missing something here?

[phil337]

Why would anyone go to the trouble of faking an item such as the stamped metal "tool holder" at issue? I mean, seriously: it would be a heck of a lot of trouble and expense to have metal stamping dies and other equipment set up to make this item. If I understand correctly, such item only sells for $250 USD or so.

IMO: The demand for repros of such items would seem to be extremely limited and just not worth the effort and expense.

Also, the BSW/Gustoff Werke "Wa4" proof is very commonly seen on the MG-13 and MG-34 items that came in from Portugal, so what is the problem with this marking on the item in question?

Am I missing something here?

I totally agree, i see most of the time people are quick to state an item is fake/has been faked but they cant back up the statement proving as such, and yes there is nothing wrong with the waa4 proof at all, its a common gustloff acceptance mark

[mightymouse]

I think that you are taking this too personally. As I have said, these people ARE copying all sorts of equipment, including MG scope tins and I believe these tool cases (they sell the MG scope tins for 150 euro I think). Again, I simply said, that this is the first time I have seen a WaA4 marked one, that is not to say that it is not genuine. In fact, I never said that your one is a fake, all I have been saying is that there are copies around. Maybe you could post the pictures of the other WaA4 marked ones, as I have said, I would be interested in seeing them.
Sorry, I have no photos of the fakers at work making a tool case, I will ask them at Beltring next year if I can have one along with a forgery certificate!

[phil337]

In what way am i taking this personally?, i have a valid argument in that there is NO proof other than hearsay that these have been faked ever, whats wrong in asking for proof? thats not being personal is it? im just not impressed with people being clever that are quick to state something is fake/has been faked when they cant back thier statement up. Its like me saying a luger has been faked all because i heard it from a european dealer.

[Hans Zeug]

WaA stamp.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of faking an item such as the stamped metal "tool holder" at issue? I mean, seriously: it would be a heck of a lot of trouble and expense to have metal stamping dies and other equipment set up to make this item. If I understand correctly, such item only sells for $250 USD or so.

IMO: The demand for repros of such items would seem to be extremely limited and just not worth the effort and expense.

Also, the BSW/Gustoff Werke "Wa4" proof is very commonly seen on the MG-13 and MG-34 items that came in from Portugal, so what is the problem with this marking on the item in question?

Am I missing something here?

I certainly wouldn't say that the tool board was a fake,I don't think it would be much trouble to make somthing like this toolboard if you have a fully equiped workshop full of machine tools and you are already making fakes/repros. I always used to look for an WaA stamp as insuring that an item was original but
after seeing boxes of wartime WaA stamps and eagles for sale at Beltring (pictures posted in a post about the subject) that theory went out the window.The scope tins that were for sale were well made perhaps harder to fabricate than a tool board but wouldn't fool the experts. I believe these guys are making the adaptor for the tank mg34 and adaptor for the dreibin mg mount.Let the buyer be ware!

[mightymouse]

In what way am i taking this personally?, i have a valid argument in that there is NO proof other than hearsay that these have been faked ever, whats wrong in asking for proof? thats not being personal is it? im just not impressed with people being clever that are quick to state something is fake/has been faked when they cant back thier statement up. Its like me saying a luger has been faked all because i heard it from a european dealer.

OK, there are no fakes of the toolboards, I just wanted an argument, there is no proof, I am sorry.

[phil337]

Here is the Toolkit so far, hope you all like the pictures, its nearly complete, just missing a couple of items mainly the Mauser adjustable wrench, Hand vice And the chisel hammer thing whatever its called, just need these and some small items like drift pins, calibre gauges and burst case extracters to go in the inner tray compartments,Anyway still searching. Although some items may not match an original it is the closest tools that i could find as originals are very hard to source , also nearly missed the compartment under neath the trays, i think a calibre gauge was held in here and also cleaning rods? as it appears they are the shape for these types of items. The mg13/34 combi spanner i found by chance, cost £25 and is in amazing condition, nice waff stamp and a makers mark is the letter B in a circle, can anyone tell me who made this spanner?

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[kbret]

Mauser toolkit

First of all I'd like to say thank you for allowing me to join your forum.

I've joined on behalf of a friend who also has a Mauser toolkit which looks to be complete. I've looked at it and it doesn't appear to have been used. He's keen to sell it but doesn't know it's value or where to take it. I know there's always ebay but some advice would be nice. I've added some photo's

Thanks Keith.

[me6_130]

hello and welcome Keith,

I do like this your friend's tool box and tools. It would be nice to have some closer and clearer pics. I guess it might be dated 1938 or 39 due to the cammo scheme. If not mistaken, it would be Portuguese contract, just as that in the other thread.

its not a fake and i have never seen or heard of a fake of these,its come from a very reliable source. please let me know your source of this? it would cost a considerable amount of time and tooling to fake one of these, the one i have does have clear marks where the tools use to have been held, scuffs/scrapes in the tool slots etc, so i know its been used in the past, look at the link in this thread for the other kit, it has the same waff mark on it. i dont normally purchase items without first looking into it first. but thanks for your concern.

Phil,

I can't prove that these have been faked but I am sure there is this french merchant that fakes almost everything. You need a magnifying lens to see the difference, as it is the tool marks that are missing. You can usually find him in Evilbay. If you want to complete your set with repro tools you can buy them here...and wonder how he has so many rare items no one else has...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/251010855137...137%26_rdc%3D1


Carles

[kbret]

Thank you Carles for getting back to me. Sorry about the quality of the photo's. I'll arrange to take some better one's and post them in the next few days.

Keith.

[Admiraal]

What about the MG case that holds these tool-racks, what is the value on that?
I got an empty Werkzeug MG case that i want to sell in the future.

[kbret]

I've taken some more photo's. If you require any more on a specific item just let me know.

Please remember this tool kit is not mine the chap who owns it is not on the intrernet and has asked me for some help.

Thanks Keith.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kbret/s...95017838/show/

[phil337]

I've taken some more photo's. If you require any more on a specific item just let me know.

Please remember this tool kit is not mine the chap who owns it is not on the intrernet and has asked me for some help.

Thanks Keith.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kbret/s...95017838/show/

Impressive Kit, and appears complete, also with some quite rare tools like the calibre gauges etc, i wouldnt sell this for less than £1000, iv seen these sell for well over that

[me6_130]

Yep, that's a nice and in great condition set.. As I thought, dated 1938, so I imagine it is Portuguese contract, but that is nothing negative. What doesn't seem original to the set is that MG34 grip plate. It looks like those Czech post war ones.

Carles

[kbret]

Thank you for your comments I'll pass them onto my friend.

Keith.