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**JoeW** · 05-24-2011, 09:58 AM

Is that one of the foreign contracts or German? I notice it doesn't have the Blochsicherung on the ejector side. The magazine pouches were standard for the MP28 and the EMP.

**Aktivisti** · 05-24-2011, 11:12 AM

Great looking gun!

Not something you see every day - I have a nice MP28 and MP40 in my safe, but I haven't even handled an EMP.

**foy1944** · 05-24-2011, 01:46 PM

serial number only !

hi ,i realy do not know where it was made ,i only can find a serial number ,1292 .
i have read a lot abouth these guns ,and the more you read ,the less you know and understand... it is a tipical kind of "between wars" gun with much diffirence in models and makers . they say that only 20000 were made . these guns turned up in spain ,france ,russia ,balkan ,germany... and where distributed randomly to who was arround . most of them ended with the SS, polizei and th spannish voulontairs in russia .
the blochsicherung was introduced with some of the guns ,so i think this is a more early one (serial number 1292)
in the mean time i ordered a magazine-pouch with I.M.A. ,thank you for the tip !
i paid 650 euro's for the gun ,i think that is fair ,even if it is not german-made
greetings ,jo.

**FestungSpanien** · 05-24-2011, 02:40 PM

I would say it is a spanish copy from the late 30's according to the absence of german markings, these were made in Valencia during the spanish civil war.
Lots of them were seized by the french border police when the spanish republican army escaped to France after their defeat.

**me6_130** · 05-24-2011, 04:52 PM

Original german produced and exported to Spain didn't have any other stamp than serial number, as far as I know. Germany was sending men and weapons to Franco and selling weapons to the Republic, so they didn't want much propaganda on them I imagine.
That would be easy to know, by trying a parabellum 9mm round in the chamber: if it goes in too much then it is a spanish copy, if not, then an original german, as spanish copies were made in 9LARGO. The little screw that retains the rear sight is something not to be found on early export ERMAs that were bought by Spain during the Spanish Civil War. It is not a post war Spanish production anyhow. The stripes on the fire selector and the almond shape of the cocking handle make me think is german made. Anyhow, a couple of close pics of the trigger area and safety notch would help.

Carles

**foy1944** · 05-25-2011, 02:20 AM

new pics

here are the close-ups !
i can't put a round in the chamber because it is welded .
i did not know that these guns were made after the war to ?? i always tought that the spannish copy's where from the 30's

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**foy1944** · 05-25-2011, 02:21 AM

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**foy1944** · 05-25-2011, 02:45 AM

production-date

the only info i could find on the net abouth the spannish emp is :
-la coruna made them
-under the name WFP Mle 41/44 (is 44 the end-date ?)
-they made them in small numbers (my number is very low ,1292)
so ,is there somebody who nows if they were produced after the war and did they restarted with numbering ?
i also know that the german arms-factory's made lots of guns (like the luger) wich already had stamps in them in the language from the land they were sold to .
in my case i can see that the fire-selector has "I" and "A" (individuela and automatica ????)
thank you for all the help friends

**jh-ss44** · 05-25-2011, 02:49 AM

Very nice ! I too have never handled one (yet). nice find . the price seems o.k. too. to bad it's welded up. thank you for showing us Jo. jeff

**Aktivisti** · 05-25-2011, 03:21 AM

I don't know much of these, but I would say that this gun has all the typical features (bolt knob, stock, selector type and markings) of a Spanish Modelo 1941/44 as manufactured by the Fabrica de Armas, La Coruna.

I think it is an early 1941 model, as it has low s/n and seems to be lacking the underside safety bolt in front of the trigger guard (which I assume is a '44 feature).

**Aktivisti** · 05-25-2011, 03:28 AM

Jo,

Remember that Spain didn't participate in WWII - so "war" in this case is the Spanish Civil War in 1936-39. Anyway, Fabrica de Armas (La Coruna) manufactured these licensed copies of Erma EMP Type III well until mid '50s.

Are you also sure that the selector is marked with I and not T (tiro a tiro - semi automatic).

**foy1944** · 05-25-2011, 04:09 AM

that is trou

hello aktivisti ,
you are wright abouth that ,but for the germans it was a great opportunity to test the new wehrmacht in that war .
you also could be right abouth the "T" ,there is a scratch in the metal on the top of this marking ,so now it looks like an "I" .
since you know more abouth these guns ,can you tell me something abouth the serial-number (1292) ,because it is a low number i realy hope it is pre-1945

thank you for the comment ,greetings ,jo.

**me6_130** · 05-25-2011, 04:54 AM

Spanish made ERMAs were produced after the war (SCW) in LaCoruña, as Aktivisti has mentione, not in Valencia during the war. Those made in Valencia were copies of the MP28II, and some were marked 'Aguiluchos de la FAI'.

Your's is spanish origin but looks bit mixed up, or first spanish produced, as it has similar things to the export model. I believe Spain produce 3 or 4 different variants, just by modifying little details. I will have to look for some pics I have, to compare, as I once had both, german and spanish makings.

Carles

**foy1944** · 05-25-2011, 04:59 AM

thank you

hi carles ,thank you for the info !
i did not know it was so confusing with these guns .
greetings ,jo.

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