German 8mm in box's

[R_Hessian]

With the great thread running on 9mm I thought that it would serve us all well to get talking about the German 8mm issue rounds. I have selected some box's and taken pictures which are below.

Somewhere I have some WWI German machine gun ammo ( which when I last fired a belt in my MG34 ran great! ) and some 8mm Luft. aircraft rounds.

It would be great to hear from the ammunition collectors and others as to what they might have and what others like me might post pictures of... so here we go!

Robert

[R_Hessian]

picture 2

picture 2 8mm German

[R_Hessian]

picture3

picture 3 8mm rounds

[R_Hessian]

picture 4

picture 4 8mm

[R_Hessian]

picture 5

picture 5 German 8mm

[R_Hessian]

odd ball

No this isn't German WWII its Post War German... anyone know what a "MP47" is?

[derspiess63]

No this isn't German WWII its Post War German... anyone know what a "MP47" is?

Hi Bobby Zee,
the cartridges in picture #6 are post-war blank cartridges(with wooden bullet,I suppose,while I'm not as sure ass their caliber...is the box opened Bob?) !These cartridges(but in 8mm cal and for K98k only) were often use in MG ammo belts to avoid continuous fire,in order to prevent the gunner from waisting a zillion rounds in the heat of the engagement.There were instances of MG firing MG blanks(more powerful and allowing for blasts) overhead attacking German troops in order to make allied soldiers keep their heads down thinking they were fired at with live ammo.....clever lads indeed those Kraut MGunners!
Photos#1,2 and 3 show yellow tracers with brass case made by RWS(P151),Theodor Bergmann(cdo) and an unidentified ammunition manufacturer.
Photo #4 shows (S.s./schwere Spitze) rifle ammo made by DWM(P131) and HASAG(P181) and photo #5 shows pistol ammunition made by Waffenwerke Brunn!I haven't been circumstantial here because I've got to run but I nevertheless wanted to help you!If you need me to "translate"a whole label just let me know and I'll do that!
Talk to you later
Manuel

[Bill Grist]

Does anyone have one of the rare 14 round boxes of Mp43 ammo (Pistol Patronen 43 ME) There is also a 20 round box which is uncommon as well..wfg

[Bill Grist]

Is it possible that the MP47 A4 is the German post war desigination for the US 1919A4 machinegun in either 8m/m or 30/06,do you know the cal. of the ammo? wfg

No this isn't German WWII its Post War German... anyone know what a "MP47" is?

[JaimeH]

I have the exact boxes shown in the top picture(mine are 1937). Aren't they armour piercing?

[Bill Grist]

AP with yellow tracer.. They also came in white, orange, and Grun-Rot which were ranging ammo green out to 100 meters and then red to 600 meters..

[derspiess63]

I have the exact boxes shown in the top picture(mine are 1937). Aren't they armour piercing?

You're correct Jaime...S.m.K. stands for "Spitzgescosse mit StahlKern",i.e. "Bullet with steel core"!The tungsten core of WWI was replaced in WWII by a steel core hardened by heat treatment.A S.m.K. bullet could penetrate 11 thickness of armored plate at 90° and 6mm at 60°;test were conducted at 100 meters distance!The velocity of the cartridges shown in the first photo were the following:785 m/s in rifle 98(brass case),765m/s in MG15 and MG17(brass case), 745m/s in MG81 with steel case.The first box contains brass-cased ammo the secon steel-cased ammo...that's what the blue stripe indicates!
Incidentally,German snipers often favoured Armor-Piercing cartridges(without tracer of course!) and used Beobachtung Patronen(explosive observ. bullets)to see whether their rifle was sighted-in properly...and sometimes to retaliate for the Russian habit of shooting at German human targets with explosive bullets)!
My fault Jaime...I've forgot to tell one of the most important details!
Manuel

[James Purnell]

Here's a few of mine. This is 45 dated. The 45 dated stuff is pretty hard to get around my neck of the woods. The Zdh 30/40 on the box indicates a non corrosive primer (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

[James Purnell]

Some interesting boxes. Has anyone seen any of this before?

[James Purnell]

More interesting boxes.