Help with the pistol and rifle!

[rajko84]

I found this two pieces. They came from a same house, I am sorry about the pics but that is the only ones I have for right now. My biggest question is about the pistol I never saw something like this, it looks like very early type of pistol, when they started changing from blackpowder. It has some kind of eagle on the barrel but they could not take a good picture. They said that it is double headed eagle.
So any info would be appreciated.
regards Rajko

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[copdoc]

Two fascinating firearms. The Wheellock looks original in the pictures. Inlays are very similar to a German Wender gun that I have. I have never seen anything like the handgun. Do you have any family stories about where they originated?

[rajko84]

Two fascinating firearms. The Wheellock looks original in the pictures. Inlays are very similar to a German Wender gun that I have. I have never seen anything like the handgun. Do you have any family stories about where they originated?

Only thing I know they told me that was brought from Europe, which that was not to hard to quess. They are both in working condition. Both guns are original I know that, but I never saw the pistol like this.

[copdoc]

Only thing I know they told me that was brought from Europe, which that was not to hard to quess. They are both in working condition. Both guns are original I know that, but I never saw the pistol like this.

I did not mean to imply the pistol was nor original, just had not idea of date, manufacture or even planet. That is a neat piece and looks very well made. Can you explain the firing mechanism? It must have been neat to find something like that.

[rajko84]

I did not mean to imply the pistol was nor original, just had not idea of date, manufacture or even planet. That is a neat piece and looks very well made. Can you explain the firing mechanism? It must have been neat to find something like that.

Ok this is how it works, you would turn the barrel on left side and pull forward adm you you would put single bullet in the barrel, and it would be ready to shoot. You can pull the triger and it would fire.

[copdoc]

Ok this is how it works, you would turn the barrel on left side and pull forward adm you you would put single bullet in the barrel, and it would be ready to shoot. You can pull the triger and it would fire.

Very interesting, I would love to see that gun in person. I see the locking lug now. If you don't mind, what caliber is it and is it rifled? Is that a place for a percussion cap at the rear. After looking again I wondered if it had a flint/striker mechanism similar to the Monk pistol.

The mechanism may be unique but the workmanship is so good that there has to be a similar firearm somewhere. You may be surprised to hear someone say that. Whoever made it had to have training and had a lot of skill. I can't imagine that he only made one gun. It may be the only one like yours but look at grip shape, the grip carving, barrel profile etc and see if you can find something similar, even with a more traditional mechanism. I hope some of the "smoke pole" collectors will estimate a date or place it may have been made.

[robcox1]

The handgun looks like what Buck Rogers took with him when he traveled back in time to meet Daniel Boone.

Seriously, that is one of the more fascinating guns I have ever seen. An art-deco percussion breech-loader. Thanks for sharing it, I hope somebody can help. If you could get a photo of the eagle that may help narrow down where it was made. The double headed eagle is used by a number of different countries and the symbol goes way back, so without a photo it is not much help in narrowing it down.

I have a book that has quite a few wheel-locks pictured in it, yours resembles the ones made in Germany in the 16th and 17th centuries. Here is a link to one that is similar to yours although it is a little more fancy. The basic lines of it and the layout of the mechanism are the same.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6452709

[rajko84]

The handgun looks like what Buck Rogers took with him when he traveled back in time to meet Daniel Boone.

Seriously, that is one of the more fascinating guns I have ever seen. An art-deco percussion breech-loader. Thanks for sharing it, I hope somebody can help. If you could get a photo of the eagle that may help narrow down where it was made. The double headed eagle is used by a number of different countries and the symbol goes way back, so without a photo it is not much help in narrowing it down.

I have a book that has quite a few wheel-locks pictured in it, yours resembles the ones made in Germany in the 16th and 17th centuries. Here is a link to one that is similar to yours although it is a little more fancy. The basic lines of it and the layout of the mechanism are the same.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6452709

Eagle is Russian Imperial Crest, so now I know it is russian.

[rajko84]

Very interesting, I would love to see that gun in person. I see the locking lug now. If you don't mind, what caliber is it and is it rifled? Is that a place for a percussion cap at the rear. After looking again I wondered if it had a flint/striker mechanism similar to the Monk pistol.

The mechanism may be unique but the workmanship is so good that there has to be a similar firearm somewhere. You may be surprised to hear someone say that. Whoever made it had to have training and had a lot of skill. I can't imagine that he only made one gun. It may be the only one like yours but look at grip shape, the grip carving, barrel profile etc and see if you can find something similar, even with a more traditional mechanism. I hope some of the "smoke pole" collectors will estimate a date or place it may have been made.

I have to find out for calibar and if it is rifled, I do not have the guns in hand.

[rajko84]

I have to find out for calibar and if it is rifled, I do not have the guns in hand.

Ok the hole size is 9mm, and it is rifled.

[rajko84]

anybody else with their opinions on the pistol