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    Leuchtpistole AC43 Zinc with WaA and Police Proof Stamp!

    Hi,
    here is another of my LP34 in Zinc.....it is a Walther, marked AC43 for Walther 1943 and has the late wooden ribbed grips. Normally the Zinc variations start in 1944 and 45, some in 1943 as well. Bruno showed us his example a few days ago. Not too easy to find as it is. Left side stamping is the AC43 and Serial number on both frame and barrel. On the right side is the proof stamp of Zella-Mehlis on barrel and frame, and the correct WaA/359 several times, the military proof stamp of Walther.
    Additionally, and most importantly for me, is a small Eagle/C stamp on the right side of the frame. This is a police proof mark, which is quite rare on flare guns, but I have never seen a military proof and police proof stamp on one gun! Apperantly it is known on some P38 for the Police of Mauser fabrication between 1943 and 1945. To my opinion this is something very very rare and special to me.

    This is my first try to paste soma Pics directly into the thred. I hope it works. The pictures are not great, sorry. Am still no expert in great fotos. Any comments welcome!









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    You know how to make a guy miserable and green with envy. A really scarce piece you have there. Congrats.

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      #3
      And so we return with a Zinc model that is neither here nor there. Erma-Erfurt. Zinc 4. Military style numbering with suffix letter "a".
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        #4
        But this has no WaA or Police acceptance. No Zella-Mehlis proof. Only Eagle N. Perhaps purchased for the police later, but not accepted? I wish. No, a commercial purchase for a company business needing flares.
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          #5
          Hi Joe,

          you got a very nice Zink4 there! Brown bakelite grips, good condition, very nice piece! As for the markings....proof Stam for Zella Mehlis are only on Walthers, Ermas are from Erfurt and don´t have any. Commercial or Export is extremely unlikely as at this time of the war everything went to Army etc. I have a very similar flare gun, same stampings, but not in Zinc but Aluminium. Only imperial Eagle, and Erma- Erfurt with serial number. There is a clue to it, I will search for it und update. There was a specific time wehere erma made flare guns late in the war with pre- war naming and no military proof. I let you know when I find it!

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            Originally posted by JoeW View Post
            You know how to make a guy miserable and green with envy. ...
            Hi,

            Now, you, two, make me start a bad week (just a question of jealousy ) but very happy for you with these you nice samples.

            Regards

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              #7
              Originally posted by JoeW View Post
              But this has no WaA or Police acceptance. No Zella-Mehlis proof. Only Eagle N. Perhaps purchased for the police later, but not accepted? I wish. No, a commercial purchase for a company business needing flares.
              Hi Joe,

              I had a look again, and here is the answer....1943 ( and only 1943) Erma produced with it´s full name, without year or abbrevation, LP34`s flare guns in Zinc and Aluminium, and - very interesting - the Kampfpistole `Z` as well. One of these is listed and shown in Walther Kern´s Book (page 227 I think). Only ERMA-ERFURT and imperial Eagle and Serial Number. Why, nobody (?) knows. But a Kampfpistole was definately made for Heer or SS, no commercial purpose, and should have military proof stamps, but in this cases there are none. My other Aluminium Erma-Erfurt is in mint condition and , as I said, exactly same markings as yours.

              My main point with my originally shown flare gun is the combination of military proof stamp and police acceptance stamp on one same gun. And this on a flare gun. I would be very greatful if anybody had more information or even something to compare (flare gun or `normal` handgun).

              Greetings,
              Martin

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                #8
                I understand now your desire to show the two acceptance marks, Heer und Polizei, that appear on your LP and on some P38s.

                I think the Erma-Erfurt aluminum production ends in 1942/43 and the zink begins as the serial number range continues in my records from 67xx to 71xx for the zink. Have you seen an earlier zink erma-erfurt with E/F? The Z pistole was used by the SS and police, especially for Infanterieabwehr on the eastern front. Have you seen a police accepted Erma-Erfurt Z model? I only have a E/N model.

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                  #9
                  Hi joe,

                  as far as I know there is some controversy about aluminium LP´s made in 44 and 45, no matter what manufacturer. I think you are right with Alu ending in 43 and Zinc later, whereby there was for suer some parallel production as well (same as the steel LP´s were produced parallel to the aluminium). Can you show us your Z? Would be great to see, is it Erma as well?

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                    #10
                    Martin

                    Here is another example of mixed acceptance marks: WaA135 and Police Abn. F found on a byf 44 P38.
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                      #11
                      The Zinc Heer Model began production at the end of 1941 ( I saw one duv 41, two digit serial number example many years ago, but could not buy or photo it. ) They were produced in 1942 and 43. I doubt that any were made in 44, but I still look.

                      My Walther Banner Zinc has a Waa, and Eagle C

                      My Erma-Erfurt Zinc has NO Waa, and has an Eagle F

                      I may have more police marked examples, but they are packed away
                      Last edited by SIGNALMAN; 06-28-2010, 11:04 PM.

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                        #12
                        Hi,

                        @joe, thanks for showing, have heard about thise P38 but not seen one yet!

                        @signalman: can you please show us your walther- banner Zink with waa and police proof, would be very interesting!

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                          Signalman should write that he has MOST of the police marked examples existing packed away. That's why I have to be content with unaccepted "commercial" ones.

                          Howard, do you think the Walther LPs were produced in the same time frame as the Erma-Erfurt? They start about the same time for the police, perhaps a year earlier with the * acceptance stamp on steel guns. I think with serial ranges, the police production reached 1944.

                          Here is the "commercial" Erma-Erfurt Z pistol with no other acceptances. I mistake the "proof" on the zink guns. It is not Eagle N. Only the post Jan 1940 eagle. Like on this Z.
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                            #14
                            Hi Joe,

                            Because of the Id (number) on the barrel, does it mean that the barrel has been mounted on a more 'basic' LP 34 (at war time) ? Or is it the same number on the barrel AND on the 'the frame' or 'carcass' (I don't know the right word in English )

                            Regards

                            PS: By the way, is it a 'big' Z (Walther) or a small 'Z' (Erma)?

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                              #15
                              Bruno, I am sorry it is not clear in the photograph, but I write that it is an Erma-Erfurt pistol. The serial number on the barrel section is filled in with white, but the same number on the frame is not filled with white. They are matching.

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