Two lugers

[Luis22]

HI

I recently got these two Luger from an online auction. Both are DWM 1914/1920 and a 1917 both all matching with the exception of the magazines.







Some more

The 1917 is serial 71,,

[juoneen]

Now you need a shoulder stock, as they both have the attachment for it. Can't really see much from the photos as for the markings. You also might tell the forum what the last two digets are, and maybe you'll find the matching clips from someone who has one lying about, but you'll most likely want the early wood end type. Im not sure from the photos if the black holster is an original or not, looks too new,also looks like the vet put his service or ss number on the one holster.

[Douglas Jr.]

I would like to se more pictures of them, but from what I can see here, both are decent and honest Lugers in original condition. Both are standard P.08s that weren't issued with the wooden stock.

Besides that, if I remember correctly, according to US laws it is illegal to attach a stock to pistols with this lenght of barrel. You can only do it with the Navy and/or Artillery variations. Someone more akin to American laws may clarify that.

But, for now, congratulations! I know you've been after a Luger for some time.

Douglas.

[GWA]

Nice looking P08's. The black holster is a recent reproduction. The give away is the stitching on the closure strap.

[Luis22]

I would like to se more pictures of them, but from what I can see here, both are decent and honest Lugers in original condition. Both are standard P.08s that weren't issued with the wooden stock.

Besides that, if I remember correctly, according to US laws it is illegal to attach a stock to pistols with this lenght of barrel. You can only do it with the Navy and/or Artillery variations. Someone more akin to American laws may clarify that.

But, for now, congratulations! I know you've been after a Luger for some time.

Douglas.

Thanks...these are DWM Imperial Lugers from WW 1 both with wood base magazine,,,


One holster is an original 1937 the second is a repro

[Douglas Jr.]

The 1917 is a keeper, in my opinion. If you was looking for a good example of an Imperial Luger, this is it. Congratulations.

The other is pitted and I don't think it is in collector's grade. But it is a pistols that saw action during WWI and later during the Weimar Era (and probably during the III Reich), hence the "1920" property stamp. You can upgrade this one but keep in my that the only thing that really matters is if you are happy in the end of the day!

Greetings,

Douglas

[Luis22]

The 1917 is a keeper, in my opinion. If you was looking for a good example of an Imperial Luger, this is it. Congratulations.

The other is pitted and I don't think it is in collector's grade. But it is a pistols that saw action during WWI and later during the Weimar Era (and probably during the III Reich), hence the "1920" property stamp. You can upgrade this one but keep in my that the only thing that really matters is if you are happy in the end of the day!

Greetings,

Douglas

Thanks Douglas the 1914/1920 pistol is a Police Pistol it has the markings on the grip ... that has probably seen a lot of action...Luger have become extremely expensive a Collector grade Luger can not be found for less than $2000!! and thats for the most common model..

[Johnny Peppers]

As mentioned previously in regard to attaching a shoulder stock to either pistol shown, it is illegal in the U.S. It is not the barrel length per say, but the fact that no 4" P.08 pistols were originally issued with a shoulder stock. The WWI 6" Navy and 8" Artillery were issued with shoulder stocks, and as such are legal to attach a shoulder stock to, even a reproduction stock.
Is the 1914/1920 pistol fitted with a sear safety?

[Luis22]

As mentioned previously in regard to attaching a shoulder stock to either pistol shown, it is illegal in the U.S. It is not the barrel length per say, but the fact that no 4" P.08 pistols were originally issued with a shoulder stock. The WWI 6" Navy and 8" Artillery were issued with shoulder stocks, and as such are legal to attach a shoulder stock to, even a reproduction stock.
Is the 1914/1920 pistol fitted with a sear safety?

No sear safety ...it was assigned to a Police unit after WW I since the grip has police unit markings..

[Johnny Peppers]

No sear safety ...it was assigned to a Police unit after WW I since the grip has police unit markings..

It would be highly unusual for a police P.08 not to have a sear safety, as well as having been fitted with a magazine safety. The magazine safety was removed from virtually all the police pistols.

[Luis22]

It would be highly unusual for a police P.08 not to have a sear safety, as well as having been fitted with a magazine safety. The magazine safety was removed from virtually all the police pistols.

Police markings,,,,

[Johnny Peppers]

What is the full marking? I can make out the S.K. and possibly 12, but can't tell for sure. Try macro mode for close-up.

[GWA]

Luis would you post a good clear photo of the grip strap marking right side up? It is an interesting marking in a number of ways. Only a hand full of pistols with, what are believed to be, police markings "S.K." have been reported and they are tentatively attributed to Schutzpolizei Koeslin. Your pistol could throw that theory out.

Your grip strap marking is on the rear grip strap and the pistol exhibits no typical police modifications. Normally "double date" pistols with unit marks in areas other than the front grip strap are those with early Reichswehr markings classified as "Provisional unit marks" . These were placed on Reichswehr weapons prior to the 1922 Reichswehr directive. These provisional marks are not only found in odd places but also fit neither Imperial nor Reichswehr standards.

Clear photos would help.

[Luis22]

Luis would you post a good clear photo of the grip strap marking right side up? It is an interesting marking in a number of ways. Only a hand full of pistols with, what are believed to be, police markings "S.K." have been reported and they are tentatively attributed to Schutzpolizei Koeslin. Your pistol could throw that theory out.

Your grip strap marking is on the rear grip strap and the pistol exhibits no typical police modifications. Normally "double date" pistols with unit marks in areas other than the front grip strap are those with early Reichswehr markings classified as "Provisional unit marks" . These were placed on Reichswehr weapons prior to the 1922 Reichswehr directive. These provisional marks are not only found in odd places but also fit neither Imperial nor Reichswehr standards.

Clear photos would help.

Here you go...please let me know if you find out any info...

[Johnny Peppers]

What is the marking following the N ? Also, what are the markings on the back of the receiver?