P08 help

[jujuy]

I need some advise from P08 experts.
I've seen a mismatched out of the woodwork P08 with the following characteristics
barrel/receiver part is an S/42 G marked with imperial marking (waffeamt and anchor) (all matching parts) and instead of gesichert it is marked RUST
and frame (other number) is with a security toggle like the swiss model or american eagle model and grip security is perfectly working with the barrel/receiver parts
My questions are:
What kind of model is it? civilian or private purchase
What about RUST marking
Thanks

[Richie B]

S/42 = Mauser. G = date code for 1935.

"Rust" - appears on Dutch pistols = "Safe"

Would seem that someone has combined components of a German military pistol with a Dutch P 08.

Photos would be good.

Hope this helps a little.

Regards

Richie

[jujuy]

thanks for the reply.
I found a pic on the web, http://www.landofborchardt.com/1928dei_luger.html
frame is identical(without the brass plate!) to the one pictured and grip security is perfectly working with the receiver. You can't fire if it not press.
the whole gun has the same patina and doesn't seem to be a recent mismatch.
I'll take some pictures tomorrow

S/42 = Mauser. G = date code for 1935.

"Rust" - appears on Dutch pistols = "Safe"

Would seem that someone has combined components of a German military pistol with a Dutch P 08.

Photos would be good.

Hope this helps a little.

Regards

Richie

[Alan Smith]

By "Security Toggle" to you mean a toggle lock as in the type of toggle found on the "Old Model" or "Model 1900" Parabellum pistols? This is the "dished" toggle that is quite different from the standard WWI and WWII era guns.

I look forward to seeing the photos.

Alan

[jujuy]

Alan, the security system is exactly like this one I found on the web, with an inverse angle comparing to a classic luger
http://www.fgsfirearms.com/admin/db_...p?id=370&num=1
I'll take a picture of the one I saw pretty soon

By "Security Toggle" to you mean a toggle lock as in the type of toggle found on the "Old Model" or "Model 1900" Parabellum pistols? This is the "dished" toggle that is quite different from the standard WWI and WWII era guns.

I look forward to seeing the photos.

Alan

[Johnny Peppers]

I believe the confusion is in the terminology. The safety bar faced backwards on a grip safety Luger, and forward on non-grip safety. The toggle lock was used on the early style pistols , and can be seen on the picture below. The toggle had to move back slightly before it could unlock. You can see where the toggle lock was inlet into the frame. By the time the Model 1906 came out the toggle lock had been abandoned.
The Dutch Lugers were Model 1906 type, produced by DWM. The S/42 G Date Mauser receiver post dates the frame by some 25 years.

[Douglas Jr.]

A "G" code-dated S/42 Luger NEVER was produced with the grip safety. The same goes for the word "RUST" wich, as said above, was exclusively marked on pistols made for the Dutch East Indies' army and navy. The "G" code date was used only on pistols made for the German Armed Forces.

So, you probably have a pistol made from parts of two desirable variants, but that now can be considered only as a shooter.

Douglas.

[jujuy]

I absolutely agree about the part gun without any problem and the manufactured time difference! It was owned in this condition and doing the frame/receiver/security fitting was surely done before its liberation.
You could'nt put any receiver on this 1906 frame without properly fitting

A "G" code-dated S/42 Luger NEVER was produced with the grip safety. The same goes for the word "RUST" wich, as said above, was exclusively marked on pistols made for the Dutch East Indies' army and navy. The "G" code date was used only on pistols made for the German Armed Forces.

So, you probably have a pistol made from parts of two desirable variants, but that now can be considered only as a shooter.

Douglas.

[Douglas Jr.]

Well, some fitting would be needed for certain - but not THAT much. Those pistols bought by the Dutch government during the 20's and 30s already had the short frame, the same used by III Reich Lugers. But it is still a mismatched pistol and any guess about when it was assembled this way it's just that: a guess.

But I would love to see this pistol.

Douglas

[jujuy]

back that saw use

[jujuy]

grip have matching number with the frame, very long use here.
Magazine is an FXO, but no interest

[jujuy]

frame and security system.

I have to mention that my photos are bad and that the receiver has the CORRECT blue/grey expected on this 1935 model

[jujuy]

the whole item in bad color!

[jujuy]

receiver. Color is really wrong with flash

[Johnny Peppers]

The right side grip panel is a Dutch replacement grip, identified by the coarse checkering. The pistol could have been rebuilt at some time by the Dutch, but I don't see it being mated to a G Date upper during rebuild. The condition of the pistol looks like the Lugers that came out of Russia a few years back, but I don't know how a Dutch Luger ended up there.
What is the serial number of the frame?