Korean war bringbacks

[Suber]

Just a few months ago, a Korean War veteran walked into an area gunshop and announced that he was retired and moving to Florida and did anyone want to buy his G.I. Carbine?
Cool piece; except for the "Rock & Roll" switch. No buyers....

My only Korean War piece was a dewat Chicom Type 50 w/drum & stick magazines back before the '68 amnesty.

I have heard this story over and over, and most prevalent at gun shows. At the last gun show here in ABQ there was a guy walking around with an M2 with "apparently" no knowledge of the type of weapon that it was. No one, and I mean NO one touched the thing once the select switch was seen on it. I am suspect that there are plenty of ATF peeps going to these gun shows with weapons such as these posing as unknowledgeable sellers of the weapon in hopes of getting someone to bite on it! And the rest of the story is obvious!!!

[MikeP]

I just bought a Russian M44 (The Stamp on the reciever says 1946) from a pawn shop and the guy who sold says its Korean bring back. Near the muzzle the is stamped in English: Russian M44 7.62x54r CAI ST.ALB VT.

So Im guessing that it was brought back and looked over in a factory to see if it was safe to shoot and then the army sold it a US citizen.

If any one knows what CAI St. ALB VT means I would be grateful.

Im guess that "St. ALB VT" means " St. Albany Vermont "

Correct except that your piece is a recent import.
Those stamps are part of the regs on imports.

A friend of mine has an original MN Carbine his dad brought home.

He and his buds played army with it and his dad threw away the bolt.

I gave hm one and some ammo.
He fires it occaisionally.

[dag001]

[Originally Posted by dag001
Just a few months ago, a Korean War veteran walked into an area gunshop and announced that he was retired and moving to Florida and did anyone want to buy his G.I. Carbine?
Cool piece; except for the "Rock & Roll" switch. No buyers....]

I have heard this story over and over, and most prevalent at gun shows. At the last gun show here in ABQ there was a guy walking around with an M2 with "apparently" no knowledge of the type of weapon that it was. No one, and I mean NO one touched the thing once the select switch was seen on it. I am suspect that there are plenty of ATF peeps going to these gun shows with weapons such as these posing as unknowledgeable sellers of the weapon in hopes of getting someone to bite on it! And the rest of the story is obvious!!!

Jeez, I've only heard the story once - not over and over. I guess my guy really gets around. Maybe his wife told him that he can't move to Florida until he sells the gun!!!

[tylis2]

CAI stands for Century Arms Inc in St. Albans VT. They were firearms importers

[scotty1418]

I just bought a Russian M44 (The Stamp on the reciever says 1946) from a pawn shop and the guy who sold says its Korean bring back. Near the muzzle the is stamped in English: Russian M44 7.62x54r CAI ST.ALB VT.

So Im guessing that it was brought back and looked over in a factory to see if it was safe to shoot and then the army sold it a US citizen.

If any one knows what CAI St. ALB VT means I would be grateful.

Im guess that "St. ALB VT" means " St. Albany Vermont "

The pawn guy basically outright lied to you - it's certainly a recent import. Hopefully you got it at a good price.

[Jean-Loup]

"I have heard this story over and over, and most prevalent at gun shows. At the last gun show here in ABQ there was a guy walking around with an M2 with "apparently" no knowledge of the type of weapon that it was. No one, and I mean NO one touched the thing once the select switch was seen on it. I am suspect that there are plenty of ATF peeps going to these gun shows with weapons such as these posing as unknowledgeable sellers of the weapon in hopes of getting someone to bite on it! And the rest of the story is obvious!!! "

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the M2, and what makes the "Rock'n Roll" switch so special compared to other automatic weapons?

JL

[Col.Klink]

Jean, the M2 was the full-auto verison of the M1 Carbine. It isn't that the "Rock'n Roll" switch is extra special, it is just that when you have a machine-gun walking around in the gun show, the odds are that it is unregistered (and possibly an ATF trap), which can land you a lot of jail time as well as a big fine. Thus, people generally avoid those like the plague. M2 carbines can be had legally, but like any other machine-gun in the US, you must file a form with the ATF, get that approved, and pay a $200 tax. It isn't as simple as buying a rifle or pistol and just walking out of the show.

[MikeP]

"Rock and Roll" is a slang term that came about in VN referring to swiching from safe or semi auto to full auto.

Originally referred to M16s and continued to most select fires.

[HareSplitter]

The pawn guy basically outright lied to you - it's certainly a recent import. Hopefully you got it at a good price.

It was priced at 200$ but I talked the guy down to 175$ Its a great shooter though

[Svt40]

Jean, the M2 was the full-auto verison of the M1 Carbine. It isn't that the "Rock'n Roll" switch is extra special, it is just that when you have a machine-gun walking around in the gun show, the odds are that it is unregistered (and possibly an ATF trap), which can land you a lot of jail time as well as a big fine. Thus, people generally avoid those like the plague. M2 carbines can be had legally, but like any other machine-gun in the US, you must file a form with the ATF, get that approved, and pay a $200 tax. It isn't as simple as buying a rifle or pistol and just walking out of the show.

To do the paperwork as Col Klink stated, the weapon must already be on the NFA registry. So that means the weapons must have been registered with the BATF during the amnesty registration period in Dec of 1969. If it was not registered during that time period then it will remain forever illegal to own in the US. Worth 10 years in prison and $10,000 fine.

[Jean-Loup]

Thanks for the extra explanations guys.

JL

[Josh Beckett]

To do the paperwork as Col Klink stated, the weapon must already be on the NFA registry. So that means the weapons must have been registered with the BATF during the amnesty registration period in Dec of 1969. If it was not registered during that time period then it will remain forever illegal to own in the US. Worth 10 years in prison and $10,000 fine.

If Im not mistaken, arent ones made after 1968 in the US but made before 1986 legal to own if they are registered?

US NFA laws make absolutely no sense.

[Col.Klink]

Yeah, but the ones registered in '68 are C&R eligible (I think), while post-68 manufactured aren't.

[Josh Beckett]

I think you might be correct, but are MP40 tube guns C&R? I know sten tube guns arent.

[Col.Klink]

Nope, MP40 tube guns are not C&R.