M1 question

[BRUNO FRANCK]

hello guys

firearms is not my thing???????

i have an M1 dated 1944 made i think by INLAND
on the barrel there is a piece for fixing a bajonet,is this war or after war time



greetings bruno

[STG44]

Carbine's aren't my thing but I think Inland started with the bayonet lug late 1944 early 1945.

[tracman]

I'm rather sure that bayonet mounts were not introduced until very late in the M1 carbine's production. Almost all of the ones with bayonet mounts on the market today are post-war arsenal refinished models, as various nations upgraded their stock of M1 carbines and modified them in what is known in the U.S. as Korean War specification: 4-rivet handguards, low-wood stock configurations around the operating rod, updated safety, fully adjustable rear sight, etc... Moreover, post-war arsenal finishes were different than the original factory ones during WW2, another obvious sign of an updated firearm. Frankly, to really know how much your carbine may or may not have been modified, it would be useful to post pictures of the entire weapon, the receiver (should show serial number and manufacturer), and the parts noted above.

M1 carbines are delightful little rifles, and very accurate out to 250-300m. I've used them to introduce quite a few people to handing and shooting WW2 firearms, and it's an especially easy rifle for complete neophytes to use.

[BRUNO FRANCK]

hi tracman and stg 44

thanks for your help,i post tomorrow close up photos of the rifle

thanks
greetings bruno

[Andy Van...]

Carbine

Hi Bruno, It is a type III barrel band. Form the looks of it (welds on top) it is post-war. Are there two spot welds with a hole in the center (post-war) or just two welds? Does it have any stamps on it ie. letters or // stamps? If so let me know what they are and I can tell you for sure and even the maker of it. Van.......

[bodes]

Hi Bruno, It is a type III barrel band. Form the looks of it (welds on top) it is post-war. Are there two spot welds with a hole in the center (post-war) or just two welds? Does it have any stamps on it ie. letters or // stamps? If so let me know what they are and I can tell you for sure and even the maker of it. Van.......

I believe ones marked with a 'C' are WW2 made bands......This one doesn't exhibit this.....Bodes

[Andy Van...]

Carbine

A "C" on the left side by swivel was WWII Winchester but it will also have four small spot welds on top.

[Svt40]

Look for the proof fire punch on the barrel. If you can see it about 1/2 to 1 inch in front of the barrel band then it came with a type III barrel band if you cannot see it then the barrel band was added at a later date.

The proof fire punch will look like a small dimple on top of the barrel similar tot he dimple on the receiver in front of the rear sight.

[BRUNO FRANCK]

hello guys

thanks for your help

here are more photos

greetings bruno

the tekst on the barrel is inland IMFG DIV general motors 44

the other stamps you see are from; demil stamps from belgium done by FN

[Andy Van...]

Carbine

Inland 6.23 million was in the 5th. production run of carbine's from Inland and falls in the verified and know serial range for a 2nd. production run late M1A1 paratrooper carbine........

Type III "SA" Springfield Armory post war barrel band.
Type III "M" mag. catch
Type IV flip safety
Type III adjustable rear sight
Type III front sight

That's about all I can tel from the pictures, what are the stamping under the barrel date?

[BRUNO FRANCK]

hi Andy

thanks for the info

when i chance the SA armory post for fixing the bajonet,and find an original WW 2 piece is than everithing ww2 on the rifle???????

the stamps onder the barrel date are stamps of the factory FN where they have made the rifle demil
greetings bruno

[Svt40]

That would require a complete tear down to verify the manufacturer and type of each part.

But a lot of the perts that are currently on the rifle were also part of the post war rebuilds to bring them up to current standards.

[BRUNO FRANCK]

hello

maybe i can better sold this rifle an search for a good model ww2 M1

thanks for all opinions

greetings bruno

[jt327gir]

It's hard to tell with all of the added stampings on the top of the barrel, but I don't think I can see the "P" proof mark that should be present on ALL Inland-manufactured barrels. If the "P" is indeed not visible when the carbine is assembled, the carbine was originally manufactured with a type I or type II band, and the "P" mark is probably covered by the top portion of the bayonet lug barrel band. All of the other part types I can see (rear sight, slide, magazine catch) are consistent with late-WW2 manufacture. The flip-style safety is extremely late war (if marked properly), or post-war. The SA-marked bayonet lug barrel band is definitely post-war, probably of late-1940s to early-1950s manufacture. Your photos do not show whether the handguard has 2 or 4 rivets - the 4-rivet handguard would be proper for your carbine, but a 2-rivet is also correct.

If you have the time, and know how to do it, if you can completely disassemble the carbine, write down all of the markings on all of the parts, and I can identify all of them for you (identify manufacturer or supplier to Inland of each part). To disassemble the carbine completely, you'll need a bolt disassembly tool, a trigger spring tool, and a screwdriver (you'll only need a screwdriver if you don't need to know the manufacturer of the firing pin, extractor, sear, and trigger). On some parts, you may have to look closely, or even clean the part thoroughly, in order to see the marking. Some parts might be unmarked, which usually indicates post-war manufacture. Also, you might need to remove the recoil plate from the stock (that's the metal part on which the rear of the receiver rests) - this part is sometimes marked in a place where it cannot be seen unless removed.

Your buttplate looks like the typical late-war Inland type. Your stock looks like a "potbelly" M2 stock, which are USUALLY (but not always) post-war replacements. Inland and Winchester did make potbelly stocks (known as a type V) very late in the war (late-1944 to 1945), and I have actually seen them before (and owned one Inland-made example on an original, handstamped M1 model).

Lastly, look for any markings on the stock, in these locations: inside the sling well, left side; on right side of buttstock (crossed cannons inside a wheel, with or without letters, with or without a box around the letters). Post-war Springfield stocks will be marked on the portion of the stock where the handguard rests. The handguard will usually be marked as well.