Nazi marked .25 cal. Can it be?

[old siagon]

Hello my friends,

When was the last time you saw a nazi marked .25 cal pistol? Police Eagle "L" to boot! This is a Simson & Co. .25 cal. pistol with origonal holster. Vet bring back.

Here is your fix for a while!

Enjoy,
Vince

[SCHUPO]

I would be suspicious or the Eagle/L marking. This pistol is not listed as a police pistol in period manuals such as Fischer.

[old siagon]

I would be suspicious or the Eagle/L marking. This pistol is not listed as a police pistol in period manuals such as Fischer.

No need to be suspicious!

Just be in awe! It is one of the rarest pistols I own, that is Police pistols. This company was jew owned prior to the start of the NSDAP take over.

Once they were removed from ownership the company began to rework WW1 Lugers for the TR. They were always one of the finest producers of the small caliber pistol.

I own many items which are not listed in books by "the experts"
Vince

[DennyB]

Did you ever hear the old saying about the German Officers weapons that goes "The higher the rank, the smaller the pistol"? If that is the case, this might have belonged to a general!

[JoeW]

Vince, Schupo was not referring to a book by "the Experts" when he wrote that the Simson was not listed in Fischer. Fischer wrote the "Waffen und Schiess-technischer Leitfaden der Ordnungspolizei" in 1940 with editions published through 1944. Schupo remarked that the Simson was not listed in that manual of "issue" sidearms for the Order Police. Neither are police marked Hi-Powers, Astra 300s and Walther PPs in 9mmK, that have appeared over the past 30 years with fake police acceptance stamps. Such stamps have also appeared on Sauer 1913 that were made a decade or more before the police acceptance stamp appeared.

Simson made and reworked Lugers over the years for the Weimar government. What angered the Nazis,was that the Jewish had a monopoly with the Reichswehr and the Prussian police. I would say that your Simson was made before the creation of the eagle/L police stamp. Are you suggesting that the Ordnungspolizei purchased that used commercial pistol and accepted it for issue, when it had no .25acp pistols in service? I think many collectors would be hard pressed to accept that.

[old siagon]

Vince, Schupo was not referring to a book by "the Experts" when he wrote that the Simson was not listed in Fischer. Fischer wrote the "Waffen und Schiess-technischer Leitfaden der Ordnungspolizei" in 1940 with editions published through 1944. Schupo remarked that the Simson was not listed in that manual of "issue" sidearms for the Order Police. Neither are police marked Hi-Powers, Astra 300s and Walther PPs in 9mmK, that have appeared over the past 30 years with fake police acceptance stamps. Such stamps have also appeared on Sauer 1913 that were made a decade or more before the police acceptance stamp appeared.

Simson made and reworked Lugers over the years for the Weimar government. What angered the Nazis,was that the Jewish had a monopoly with the Reichswehr and the Prussian police. I would say that your Simson was made before the creation of the eagle/L police stamp. Are you suggesting that the Ordnungspolizei purchased that used commercial pistol and accepted it for issue, when it had no .25acp pistols in service? I think many collectors would be hard pressed to accept that.

Hi Joe,

I was just joking with Schupo. I know of the issue sidearms for the Order Police. Unless you have a list of serial numbers which can back up your comment about the pistol being made prior to the Eagle "L" acceptance stamp was used, it is just your opinion.

This pistol has rock solid provenance. I knew the Veteran who brought it back. So in my opinion there is no question about the markings or its authenticity. Small pistols of this type and caliber were carried by high ranking officers, but you already knew that.

Always nice to chat with people who appreciate the finer aspects of collecting.
Vince

[JoeW]

Vince, I don't have serial ranges for the twenty thousand something Simson Model 1922s and 1926/27s which yours is. But we know Waffenfabriken Simson & Co Suhl was appropriated by the III Reich in 1935. The Simsons fled Germany. The name was changed to BSW (Berliner Suhler Waffen-und Fahrzeugwerke). The Jewish firm name Simpson was not used by the appropriated firm, therefore your pistol was made before 1936 and before the introduction of the stick wing police acceptance stamp eagle/L.

I did know that small caliber pistols like the Simson 1926 were carried by high ranking officers. They were also purchased commercially by them, along with their clothing from a clothing allowance granted to officers as part of the pay scale. 9mm and 7,65mm weapons purchased and accepted by the German police were state property and allocated to ordinary ranks according to published equipment guidelines.