Another shot of scope
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leather coverComment
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cover markings......please give as much input as possible.This was a huge investment for me and I can still return it ........thanks in advance
BTW the optics are clear as day
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I certainly do not pretend to be an expert, but I have never heard of early war byf K98s having been fitted with short side rail mounts. Also, on my original BCD 4 Long-Side-Rail, the mount is stamped with the matching serial number AND its letter suffix (this rifle just has the serial number). Also, this is just me, but I think those stock cartouches look a bit off...Just my personal opinion... Anyhow, besides those things, it looks like a nice rifle!
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any story on this rifle? Not that it matters too much,you know what they say buy the rifle not the story.Looks too good to be true,blueing looks very good.I would expect if it is a true SSR that it would fetch between 9 to 15 grand.Still a cool rifle but original WW2 era Im not so sureComment
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I'm not a 98k guy, but those stock proofs are very deeply stamped which, in my experience with other types of WWII German firearms, is virtually always a sign that something is not right. The fakers know that collectors place great importance on WaA proofing and acceptance markings and, thus, are often over-eager to make darn sure that they get a good, clear and deep imprint when they add such markings. The original German WaA personnel, on the other hand, were just civil servants doing a government job and were not overly concerned about making a perfectly clear and crisp marking that would please future generations of post-war collectors.
Thus, I eagerly await the input of the RKI's on this board, particularly the guys that did such a great job of dissecting Col. Klink's 98k sniper several months back. The expertise is here on this board, for sure . . . .Comment
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It looks from the photos that the rifle has been post war re-blued. I base this on the surface texture of the metal and things like the blued bayonet lug and the seemingly rather worn stock cross bolt...in an otherwise minty metal gun.
I agree with the others on the wood, I can not say on the lack of suffix with the mount number as I have seen German scope mounts in general done both with and w/o suffix....I could dig my books out, but I am too lazy.Last edited by phild; 06-02-2009, 01:26 PM.Comment
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Short Rail Sniper
Hello there,
I can't express any opinions on the authenticity of the 'scope mount, but I reckon the rifle's been reblued - blacker than a typical Mauser finish, also no wear on the metal but quite a bit on the stock.
Also can't comment on the leather sight cover other than that didn't I once read that these were for cavalry use, i.e. to stop the sight digging in a rider's back. Also why bother to cover the open sight on a sniper rifle?
Lastly I will say that I consider the WaA stamps in the stock to be AOK - please forgive yet another pic of my "byf 41" stock - mine has NOT been mucked about with and the marks are very similar to those above.
Good hunting,
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I've come to agree with on the stock and it's markings. I think that it is ok. Often the solid walnut ones are stamped deeper than the laminated.
I do think that the the rifle, mount and scope have been re-blued...probably within the last 30 years or so given the type of blue that this appears. There was a lot of care taken to not smudge the markings or round the edges...and that is good.
From the very little that I can make out in the photo it looks like the stock relief for the SSR is very well cut and old.
I think that there is data collected concerning where Kahles scopes serials were falling at the timeframe that this rifle would have been set up. That is what I would look to verify.
Like everything else in this hobby the information available today and the learning that has occured is light years ahead of where it was 25 years ago (when I bought my first sniper) and earlier, however it can barely keep pace with how close the best fakes have become.
The only way you will determine 100% on this rifle is to let one or two very experienced SSR collectors look at it in person, unless they can tell it is bad from the photos....based on something that I am un-aware of.Comment
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I think I deceived you with the finish.the rifle was very dry and I lubed the crap out of it with CLP.I am going to dry it off and take a few more pics .The finish was the area I was not concerned about because in natural liight it looks good/original....off to take more pics.......P.S. I don't like to talk price but.....I need to be sure because I paid over 10k for this and it needs to be right for that price.Originally posted by phild View PostComment
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Better pic with flash+ less oilComment
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Another with flashComment
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yet anotherComment
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Concur with the rebluing opinions. Need shot of rear of sight including rear of base and mount; are both SN'd and do they match? Also need shots of winter tg unit left and right. Sight cover looks period. Somehow sight covers (originally intended for cavalry) have become associated with snipers (by what means and on what basis I don't know) and collectors tend to add them to rifles to make them more "authentic." The winter tg units are widely reproduced (not saying this is one; just pointing out that they are reproduced).Comment
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The machining on the bottom of the mount is in the whiteComment
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