ZF4 scope mount???

[George M.]

Hi for all.

I'm very interesting in 100% original scope mount for ZF4 G43 K43 without scope, just mount. Recently I see on Ebay only one offer:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2200566455
But this is a set with scope and it's rather expensive. The Seller offered me his final price 1250$ for the set. I almost agreed. But I'm not sure in 100% originality of this item.
I don't know what markings such mounts must to have (may be they had variaty of markings). And one more question: what id its real price (for the set and for parts)?

Thank you in advance,
George.

P.S. May be anybody can offer me this thing? I'll consider all offers.

[Willi Z.]

Not sure why this is posted in the Edged Weapon section, but I will move it to Firearms.

On that mount, the guy mentions nothing about the mount. And, the photos which show the small details and could prove whether it is fake or real seem purposely blurred. Regardless of that fact, the mount does not look real. Honestly, $1250 does not buy you an original mount and scope..that would be very cheap on today's market.

Willi

[david w]

The mount in question is an obvious reproduction and not a good one / fair price would be $750.00 complete with scope.

[Matt Weber]

I agree with Willi here. That is a very cheap price for an original mount. I too have been looking for an original mount, and the prices are quite honestly outrageous! One thing to remember, original mounts aren't sold on ebay. They are sold by phone calls.
I'm still waiting for the call!

Matt

[tankdriver]

I agree with Willi here. That is a very cheap price for an original mount. I too have been looking for an original mount, and the prices are quite honestly outrageous! One thing to remember, original mounts aren't sold on ebay. They are sold by phone calls.
I'm still waiting for the call!

Matt

2 things, I just picked up a real mount on ebay, but know your seller. Also from looking at the photos of this mount, it is a real one but has been modified in several ways for some unknown reason. Really a shame.

[Willi Z.]

I don't agree, no part of that mount is original. It does not have late features, it doesn't have early features. It doesn't have the features of a blued 359 or 214 mount. The lever, the lettering, the finish, the contruction...none of it points to a good mount.

Yes, ebay might get a real mount, but it will go very high. Lots of guys looking for original mounts.

[tankdriver]

I don't agree, no part of that mount is original. It does not have late features, it doesn't have early features. It doesn't have the features of a blued 359 or 214 mount. The lever, the lettering, the finish, the contruction...none of it points to a good mount.

Yes, ebay might get a real mount, but it will go very high. Lots of guys looking for original mounts.

We discussed this mount the first time it came up on ebay on the G/K Forum. If you know Carl Ellingstad, he is quite knowledgeable on these, here is his comments.

The mount is a 214 mount, if its been square edge or round edge is impossible to say since the edges have been grind down and polished as several other areas on the mount is to. The catch have been removed and a secure pin added instead,- this is been seen on several other original mounts that have been "converted" here in Europe. The tip of the lever is cut and polished, if you look closely you see one of the scope bands are original WW.II. German. With no documentation to cover this statement I think its been done by a Europeen country that used them after the war, most likely France. France cause thats the country I have seen the other mounts that this have been done with.

Regards

Carl



Tankdriver

[Willi Z.]

Hi Carl,

I am sure some have more intimate detail as to why someone who so heavily modify an original mount, but is is only speculation. The ends have been so heavily shorted, the surfaces so heavily polished, the lever shortened...even the center slot has been lengthened and rounded on the right side. Why would anyone do all of that? A closer look would be needed. The WaA214 mark is not clear from the photo, and I see no trace of a serial number on the left side. Though not all blued 214 mounts were numbered, it would certainly authenicate the piece. This one has too many "issues" and would not be correct on an era rifle......if original at all.

Regards,

Willi

[Carl Ellingstad]

Unfortunaly lots of original mounts have been post-war modified both military and by sports hunters. Several countries used the G/K43 weapon system in short periods after the war, making their own modification to suit it to their own spare part system and way of use.
And trust me there are no limit for how far modifiactions where done. Norway changed barrels, sight system, magazine feeder, and cleaning rods on the K98k with their own produced parts. Rifles with scopes was in some cases left in original condition, but the ZF41 scoped K98k was heavily modified both mounts and the whole rig. Norway was not alone to do such things. Eastern Germany had their border police armed with G/K43`s early in the 50`s, they didnt do so much modification but some details where done. Image what other countries did with the scope`s and rifle they had! Personally I think that the sports hunters are to blaim for the real amount of modifications done to high collectible pieces today. The scope mount meanchen in this thread are with no doubt original but "modified" beyond collectors grade! And it will not be the last to be seen.


This might be a better investment

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Regards

Carl