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**Suber** · 05-16-2009, 03:32 PM

I love the Brady site citing that a WHOPPING FOUR cases that they bring to light involving "assault weapons" is somehow significant in their hard money and efforts to bring down the offenses committed by such weapons. Lets look at the number of violent crimes committed by known criminals with handguns shall we? The notion that Brady and his cronie study group, whom I am sure he is retiring nicely from the profits, is absurd at best.

Funny that Brady was shot with a simple wheelgun revolver, if my memory serves correct. Hinkley did NOT whip out an AK-47 and start emptying a 30 round mag toward Reagan and Brady caught in the crossfire.

**happy maca** · 05-16-2009, 05:00 PM

HI ALL, IVE BEEN READING THIS INTERESTING THREAD, AND IM SURE BE WARNED THAT FIRST THE GOVERNMENT WILL START NIBBLING AT THE CAKE TAKING AWAY SMALL POTION THEN BIGGER AND BIGGER TILL THERES NO GUNS LEFT OR VERY LITTLE IN PRIVATE HANDS THAT IS . This is what happened to me in Australia, had a great Semi Auto Assualt Rifle collection, then because of the actions of some idiots in different crimes , you had to join a club, okay some people say, no probs, then 5-10 years later another 2 crime involving a semi auto were used and its a total bann on ALL SEMI AUTOS PUMP ACTIONS MILITARY OR NOT, THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED ON PISTOLS SO I LOST ALL MY COLLECTION

ANS IM A LAW ABIDDING PERSON, also in this country you had to be fingerprinted to own and use a pistol ONLY AT A RANGE ,, and of course when it came time to ask for your finger prints back do you think i could get my prints no........ i hope to god the USA OR CANADA or any other country doesnt go down the tracks of the Australian or UK government sad days.

**dwalkerman** · 05-17-2009, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by happy maca View Post

HI ALL, IVE BEEN READING THIS INTERESTING THREAD, AND IM SURE BE WARNED THAT FIRST THE GOVERNMENT WILL START NIBBLING AT THE CAKE TAKING AWAY SMALL POTION THEN BIGGER AND BIGGER TILL THERES NO GUNS LEFT OR VERY LITTLE IN PRIVATE HANDS THAT IS . This is what happened to me in Australia, had a great Semi Auto Assualt Rifle collection, then because of the actions of some idiots in different crimes , you had to join a club, okay some people say, no probs, then 5-10 years later another 2 crime involving a semi auto were used and its a total bann on ALL SEMI AUTOS PUMP ACTIONS MILITARY OR NOT, THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED ON PISTOLS SO I LOST ALL MY COLLECTION

ANS IM A LAW ABIDDING PERSON, also in this country you had to be fingerprinted to own and use a pistol ONLY AT A RANGE ,, and of course when it came time to ask for your finger prints back do you think i could get my prints no........ i hope to god the USA OR CANADA or any other country doesnt go down the tracks of the Australian or UK government sad days.

Sad to hear that your have lost your collection. What has happened in Australia is what 'ol Gimpy can't even fathom happening here.........but..he is...soooooo very wrong!!!!

I had a college professor during the 1970's who told me a story about a coup in Venezuela...sometime in the early 30's...where his father and brother were carted off on a school bus and he never saw them again. This was after the government had earlier disarmed the citizens of their village....taking.... even...pitchforks away from them!!! He was very adament about the government taking away guns from us here in the US and I remember his statements to this day!!! Fear of government my friends.....is why we have a constitution. Our forefathers new it...and it is even more true today than it was when the constitution was written....not less so as Gimpy would probably say.

JMHO Dana

**45Auto** · 05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Suber View Post

Greg, I am not sure what sources you are citing, but there was NO FEDERAL ban on assault weapons officially until 1994 under BILL CLINTON, purely for political points with the LEFT, PERIOD! Read and weep if you have the fortitude to do so.

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pd.../on_target.pdf

Sorry, my error.

As noted above - in 1989 Bush signed an executive order to stop the importation of foreign made assault weapons.

Bush was a Conservative Republican and yet he used his authority to support anti-2nd Amendment demands.

The import ban was no small thing. Prices went sky high after that. Sorry I got my wording wrong, as a result people did not get my point.

The Main Point: No politician should get a free pass, they all have to be watched.

Best regards,

Greg

**darkhunter** · 01-22-2010, 05:58 PM

I love my country(United States)

and i love my state(Kentucky)

, thats what makes us different from other countries. My country says i can own a gun and my state says can carry them concealed. I do feel for our aussie friends as well as our British friends

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**John Huff** · 01-22-2010, 09:25 PM

The firearms death rate in the U.S. leads the world by 10 miles. Austalia and the UK aren't even in the honorable mention list. Don't worry, the evil commie black man in the white house won't take your AK47....

**brannow** · 01-22-2010, 11:28 PM

Hi John,

Fact: States and cities with the strictest gun control to out right gun bans have the highest crime rates

. Facts are a pesky little things when your argument is based on emotions.

Another little problem is in the USA we have this thing called a constitution and in it there is a little thing called the 2nd amendment which guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. This is something other countries do not have.

I would rather have my right and take my chances. What do dictators always do before they subdue a people?

I will get off my soap box now,

**N.C. Wyeth** · 01-22-2010, 11:40 PM

This thread faded away for a reason - please don't bring it back!

**Suber** · 01-23-2010, 12:01 PM

Why not? It is a great study of the citizens views pertaining to the subject matter. My opinion that something is coming is still present, however after the Mass. special election, I dont know that things will take that turn. People are speaking, and perhaps Congress is listening?

**Svt40** · 01-23-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Suber View Post

People are speaking, and perhaps Congress is listening?

Wishful thinking. It's full on CYA mode for them now.

**dhunter93** · 01-24-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by John Huff View Post

The firearms death rate in the U.S. leads the world by 10 miles. Austalia and the UK aren't even in the honorable mention list. Don't worry, the evil commie black man in the white house won't take your AK47....

<TABLE border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#ffff99 halign="center">Cause of Death/Age Range</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">All Ages</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">Under 1 Yr</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">1-4 yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">5-14yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">15-24 yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">25-34</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 align=middle halign="center">35-44</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffff99>Total Number of Deaths</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>97,900</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>100%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right> 881</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">0.9%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>1,826</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">1.9%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>2,979</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">3.0%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>14,113</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">14.4%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>11,769</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">12.0%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>15,413</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">15.7%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Motor Vehicle</TD><TD align=right>43,354</TD><TD align=right>44.3%</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>19.1%</TD><TD align=right>651</TD><TD align=right>35.7%</TD><TD align=right>1,772</TD><TD align=right>59.5%</TD><TD align=right>10,560</TD><TD align=right>74.8%</TD><TD align=right>6,884</TD><TD align=right>58.5%</TD><TD align=right>6,927</TD><TD align=right>44.9%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Unspecified nontransport accid'ts </TD><TD align=right>17,437</TD><TD align=right>17.8%</TD><TD align=right>572</TD><TD align=right>64.9%</TD><TD align=right>266</TD><TD align=right>14.6%</TD><TD align=right>267</TD><TD align=right>9.0%</TD><TD align=right>648</TD><TD align=right>4.6%</TD><TD align=right>895</TD><TD align=right>7.6%</TD><TD align=right>1446</TD><TD align=right>9.4%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Falls</TD><TD align=right>13,322</TD><TD align=right>13.6%</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>0.9%</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>2.0%</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right>1.2%</TD><TD align=right>237</TD><TD align=right>1.7%</TD><TD align=right>303</TD><TD align=right>2.6%</TD><TD align=right>608</TD><TD align=right>3.9%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Poisoning and Noxious Subst's</TD><TD align=right>12,757</TD><TD align=right>13.0%</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>1.6%</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>1.8%</TD><TD align=right>45</TD><TD align=right>1.5%</TD><TD align=right>1,160</TD><TD align=right>8.2%</TD><TD align=right>2,380</TD><TD align=right>20.2%</TD><TD align=right>4,663</TD><TD align=right>30.3%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Drowning</TD><TD align=right>3,842</TD><TD align=right>3.9%</TD><TD align=right>75</TD><TD align=right>8.5%</TD><TD align=right>493</TD><TD align=right>27.0%</TD><TD align=right>375</TD><TD align=right>12.6%</TD><TD align=right>646</TD><TD align=right>4.6%</TD><TD align=right>419</TD><TD align=right>3.6%</TD><TD align=right>480</TD><TD align=right>3.1%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Exposure to Smoke, Fire, Flames</TD><TD align=right>3,377</TD><TD align=right>3.4%</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right>4.2%</TD><TD align=right>290</TD><TD align=right>15.9%</TD><TD align=right>266</TD><TD align=right>8.9%</TD><TD align=right>192</TD><TD align=right>1.4%</TD><TD align=right>241</TD><TD align=right>2.0%</TD><TD align=right>402</TD><TD align=right>2.6%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Other Land Transport Accidents</TD><TD align=right>1,492</TD><TD align=right>1.5%</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0.2%</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>1.7%</TD><TD align=right>98</TD><TD align=right>3.3%</TD><TD align=right>243</TD><TD align=right>1.7%</TD><TD align=right>212</TD><TD align=right>1.8%</TD><TD align=right>317</TD><TD align=right>2.1%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Complications of Med/Surg Care</TD><TD align=right>3,059</TD><TD align=right>3.1%</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>2.2%</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>1.2%</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>0.2%</TD><TD align=right>85</TD><TD align=right>0.7%</TD><TD align=right>149</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Accidental Discharge of Firearms</TD><TD align=right>776</TD><TD align=right>0.8%</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0.1%</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD><TD align=right>67</TD><TD align=right>2.2%</TD><TD align=right>202</TD><TD align=right>1.4%</TD><TD align=right>131</TD><TD align=right>1.1%</TD><TD align=right>153</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#ffff99 noWrap halign="center">Cause of Death/Age Range</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">All Ages</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">Under 1 Yr</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">1-4 yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">5-14yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">15-24 yrs</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">25-34</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 colSpan=2 noWrap align=middle halign="center">35-44</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffff99 height=26>Total Number of Deaths</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>2,403,351</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>100%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>28,035</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">1.2%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>4,979</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">0.2%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>7,413</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">0.3%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>3,1307</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">1.3%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>40,451</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">1.7%</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right>89,798</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff99 align=right halign="right">3.7%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Major Cardiovasular Diseases</TD><TD align=right>936,923</TD><TD align=right>39.0%</TD><TD align=right>636</TD><TD align=right>2.3%</TD><TD align=right>234</TD><TD align=right>4.7%</TD><TD align=right>362</TD><TD align=right>4.9%</TD><TD align=right>1,309</TD><TD align=right>4.2%</TD><TD align=right>3792</TD><TD align=right>9.4%</TD><TD align=right>16,624</TD><TD align=right>18.5%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Malignant Neoplasms</TD><TD align=right>553,091</TD><TD align=right>23.0%</TD><TD align=right>92</TD><TD align=right>0.3%</TD><TD align=right>420</TD><TD align=right>8.4%</TD><TD align=right>1,014</TD><TD align=right>13.7%</TD><TD align=right>1713</TD><TD align=right>5.5%</TD><TD align=right>3916</TD><TD align=right>9.7%</TD><TD align=right>16,520</TD><TD align=right>18.4%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Chronic Lower Resperitory Dis.</TD><TD align=right>122,009</TD><TD align=right>5.1%</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>0.1%</TD><TD align=right>51</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD><TD align=right>139</TD><TD align=right>1.9%</TD><TD align=right>190</TD><TD align=right>0.6%</TD><TD align=right>296</TD><TD align=right>0.7%</TD><TD align=right>930</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Diabetes Mellitus</TD><TD align=right>69,301</TD><TD align=right>2.9%</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>0.1%</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=right>0.4%</TD><TD align=right>162</TD><TD align=right>0.5%</TD><TD align=right>623</TD><TD align=right>1.5%</TD><TD align=right>1,926</TD><TD align=right>2.1%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Influenza and Pneumonia</TD><TD align=right>65,313</TD><TD align=right>2.7%</TD><TD align=right>289</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD><TD align=right>103</TD><TD align=right>2.1%</TD><TD align=right>87</TD><TD align=right>1.2%</TD><TD align=right>189</TD><TD align=right>0.6%</TD><TD align=right>364</TD><TD align=right>0.9%</TD><TD align=right>1,068</TD><TD align=right>1.2%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Alzheimers </TD><TD align=right>49,558</TD><TD align=right>2.1%</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Motor Vehicle Accidents </TD><TD align=right>43,354</TD><TD align=right>1.8%</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>0.6%</TD><TD align=right>651</TD><TD align=right>13.1%</TD><TD align=right>1,772</TD><TD align=right>23.9%</TD><TD align=right>10,560</TD><TD align=right>33.7%</TD><TD align=right>6,884</TD><TD align=right>17.0%</TD><TD align=right>6,927</TD><TD align=right>7.7%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Renal Failure</TD><TD align=right>3,6471</TD><TD align=right>1.5%</TD><TD align=right>152</TD><TD align=right>0.5%</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>0.2%</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>0.3%</TD><TD align=right>78</TD><TD align=right>0.2%</TD><TD align=right>221</TD><TD align=right>0.5%</TD><TD align=right>701</TD><TD align=right>0.8%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Septicemia</TD><TD align=right>3,1224</TD><TD align=right>1.3%</TD><TD align=right>274</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD><TD align=right>99</TD><TD align=right>2.0%</TD><TD align=right>63</TD><TD align=right>0.8%</TD><TD align=right>100</TD><TD align=right>0.3%</TD><TD align=right>280</TD><TD align=right>0.7%</TD><TD align=right>877</TD><TD align=right>1.0%</TD></TR><TR><TD>Firearms</TD><TD align=right>28,663</TD><TD align=right>1.2%</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>0.0%</TD><TD align=right>46</TD><TD align=right>0.9%</TD><TD align=right>377</TD><TD align=right>5.1%</TD><TD align=right>6,575</TD><TD align=right>21.0%</TD><TD align=right>5,789</TD><TD align=right>14.3%</TD><TD align=right>,5358</TD><TD align=right>6.0%</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=15>NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Considering there are over 300 million FREE people in America and it's guns that have been a large part of that freedom, I would suggest you move to a totalitarian country where you and Obama will feel more at home. There are millions upon millions who would love to take your place...

**John Huff** · 01-24-2010, 12:59 PM

I think your statistics prove my point. If you can't live with the man elected by the majority of the people in this democracy (the commander-in-chief) --- you know "Free Country", I suggest you move... (just for the record, I have plenty of guns as is my constitutional right)

**Suber** · 01-24-2010, 01:38 PM

It is NOT Obama that is the PROBLEM! It is the Clinton, Emanuel, Holder anti-gun individuals that craft policy to "suggest" to the President. It will be Political suicide for the President should he listen to these fools that he placed around him.

**John Huff** · 01-24-2010, 02:10 PM

Trying to leave politics out of this.
My point was:
I enjoy gun ownership as do the rest of you. But every high school, college, work-place, Ft Hood massacre is another nail in the gun ownership coffin. If we don't enact something effective to keep weapons out of the gang-bangers and loonies hands, none of us will be allowed to own them. The NRA stance of no give-a-little will doom us all.

**Willi Z.** · 01-24-2010, 02:14 PM

Sorry gentlemen, but this thread is closed.

I would love to jump into this one with all "4" feet, but no good will come from it. This is not the place for these discussions. Sorry.

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