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    #61
    Yeah, I couldn't for the life of me figure out what he was talking about! Saying a bcd K98 was made by Sauer! I guess I was the one who was wrong... I am glad though, that it is in fact a Sauer rifle, as the stock will be much easier to find and the checkered buttplate won't be a necessity!

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      #62
      Originally posted by Col.Klink View Post
      Yeah, I couldn't for the life of me figure out what he was talking about! Saying a bcd K98 was made by Sauer! I guess I was the one who was wrong... I am glad though, that it is in fact a Sauer rifle, as the stock will be much easier to find and the checkered buttplate won't be a necessity!
      I truly believe this post has been informative to numerous people (myself included)......One of the great aspects of getting the right people together to draw the proper conclusions.....Great job guys ......Bodes

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        #63
        Originally posted by Col.Klink View Post
        Yeah, I couldn't for the life of me figure out what he was talking about! Saying a bcd K98 was made by Sauer! I guess I was the one who was wrong... I am glad though, that it is in fact a Sauer rifle, as the stock will be much easier to find and the checkered buttplate won't be a necessity!
        I do not want to confuse You as to what Stock to look for , I myself amd Mr Farb agree that You should use a Sauer Stock on Your LSR . I just sold Two LSR`s both Matching both BCD4 Rec`s but finished by Sauer , On one LSR was
        a Eagle H & C proofed Stock and this one had a Checkered Buttplate but again
        out of all I have seen or owned this was the first BCD4 Sauer Complete Rifle
        that had this type Buttplate . The other BCD4 Sauer completed LSR and Stock on this one was Eagle H with WaA135 proof on Comb of Stock . It can get confusing when it comes to the Correct Stock but again I would use a Sauer Small Disc Stock . I do not want to sound like I am bragging I have Seven LSR
        in my Collection and the Combinations of Differences is and can be overwhelming , But this is what makes this Field of Collecting so interesting at least for me . Also one could imagine the multitude of Variations remember what is the Total Percentage of Snipers that have been seen compared to how many have been produced and survived . I would like to have the topic sniper rifle in my collection thats for sure , Again a GREAT PIECE

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          #64
          Let me give a little more info on bcd4 JP Sauer guns.

          JP Sauer never made any receivers for thier own production- all were subcontracted from the very beginning. It appears both Erma (Wa280) and Walther (Wa359 or Wa211) receivers were used from 1934-1944. Towards the end of 1944, JP Sauer was converting production to MP44 only. The highest known JP Sauer production is X block of 1944.

          As production was winding down, it appears JP Sauer got an influx of parts from Astrawerke, including LSR type receivers- it's known that Gustloff (bcd code) never made receivers for production either, all being supplied by Astrawerke (l code, sometimes misidentified as 1 code). Most of the U block LSR's I see made by Sauer are bcd 4 marked. All of the X block's are that I have seen, and all of the X block standard 98k's are bcd marked that I have seen. I have an X block JP Sauer bcd 4 that is almost totally Astrawerke parts- the only JP Sauer parts on it is the barrel and stock!

          All very confusing if you don't collect these specifically.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Mike Steves View Post
            Let me give a little more info on bcd4 JP Sauer guns.

            JP Sauer never made any receivers for thier own production- all were subcontracted from the very beginning. It appears both Erma (Wa280) and Walther (Wa359 or Wa211) receivers were used from 1934-1944. Towards the end of 1944, JP Sauer was converting production to MP44 only. The highest known JP Sauer production is X block of 1944.

            As production was winding down, it appears JP Sauer got an influx of parts from Astrawerke, including LSR type receivers- it's known that Gustloff (bcd code) never made receivers for production either, all being supplied by Astrawerke (l code, sometimes misidentified as 1 code). Most of the U block LSR's I see made by Sauer are bcd 4 marked. All of the X block's are that I have seen, and all of the X block standard 98k's are bcd marked that I have seen. I have an X block JP Sauer bcd 4 that is almost totally Astrawerke parts- the only JP Sauer parts on it is the barrel and stock!

            All very confusing if you don't collect these specifically.
            Thank you for one of the most informative firearms related posts that I have read in 8+ years on this forum! Now "vintagescope's" input makes complete sense too me. There is a whole lot of information that you provided..(most of it actually) that I never knew before and I don't consider myself as a novice when it comes to k98k collecting...perhaps I should.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Mike Steves View Post
              Let me give a little more info on bcd4 JP Sauer guns.

              JP Sauer never made any receivers for thier own production- all were subcontracted from the very beginning. It appears both Erma (Wa280) and Walther (Wa359 or Wa211) receivers were used from 1934-1944. Towards the end of 1944, JP Sauer was converting production to MP44 only. The highest known JP Sauer production is X block of 1944.

              As production was winding down, it appears JP Sauer got an influx of parts from Astrawerke, including LSR type receivers- it's known that Gustloff (bcd code) never made receivers for production either, all being supplied by Astrawerke (l code, sometimes misidentified as 1 code). Most of the U block LSR's I see made by Sauer are bcd 4 marked. All of the X block's are that I have seen, and all of the X block standard 98k's are bcd marked that I have seen. I have an X block JP Sauer bcd 4 that is almost totally Astrawerke parts- the only JP Sauer parts on it is the barrel and stock!

              All very confusing if you don't collect these specifically.
              Wow Mike, it will take me at LEAST a couple days to digest all of that and fully comprehend it! You seem to know your stuff!

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                #67
                Originally posted by Col.Klink View Post
                Wow Mike, it will take me at LEAST a couple days to digest all of that and fully comprehend it! You seem to know your stuff!
                I wish I could take credit for all of the knowledge- much of it is owed to the collectors before me, and especially Graf, editor of the Military Rifle Journal (a fine publication, and a great hard copy asset to rifle collecting). JP Sauer was at one time my least favorite maker- now it's one of my favorites.

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                  #68
                  "Phild" is correct re: the highly informative nature of this thread; it has really turned into a homerun as far as generating good discussion among some very knowledgeable persons.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Mike Steves View Post
                    Let me give a little more info on bcd4 JP Sauer guns.

                    JP Sauer never made any receivers for thier own production- all were subcontracted from the very beginning. It appears both Erma (Wa280) and Walther (Wa359 or Wa211) receivers were used from 1934-1944. Towards the end of 1944, JP Sauer was converting production to MP44 only. The highest known JP Sauer production is X block of 1944.

                    As production was winding down, it appears JP Sauer got an influx of parts from Astrawerke, including LSR type receivers- it's known that Gustloff (bcd code) never made receivers for production either, all being supplied by Astrawerke (l code, sometimes misidentified as 1 code). Most of the U block LSR's I see made by Sauer are bcd 4 marked. All of the X block's are that I have seen, and all of the X block standard 98k's are bcd marked that I have seen. I have an X block JP Sauer bcd 4 that is almost totally Astrawerke parts- the only JP Sauer parts on it is the barrel and stock!

                    All very confusing if you don't collect these specifically.
                    That is great information! Why do you think they bothered with LSR snipers at all? Same goes for high turrets. They ceased production of those early in 1944 as well. So, why bother?
                    Willi

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Willi Zahn View Post
                      That is great information! Why do you think they bothered with LSR snipers at all? Same goes for high turrets. They ceased production of those early in 1944 as well. So, why bother?
                      Are You saying that in 1944 Production was Stopped on LSR & HT Sniper Rifle
                      if so that is not Correct LSR`s & HT Sniper Rifles were Built wright to the end of the War . I have a 1945 LSR & BYF45 HT Sniper Riflesand the latest HT I know of is an SVW45 HT Sniper Rifle . Why do You think that Production Ceased in 1944 if in deed thats what You ment .

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                        #71
                        Guys, I just picked up a JP Sauer stock the other day off of a K98 that it was incorrect for. The stock, buttplate, and bayonet lug are matching to each other, and the other parts, though not matching, are "37" marked. The stock has about 6 eagle proofs, and is "H" marked. It has the small disc, and is the red-glue type stock. The hadguard however, is not matching, is also red-glue. It is NOT a RC stock, with no shellac or renumbering on the left side of the stock. It is unsanded. I came on a duv 42 barreled action. The serial number is: 5717 e It has a cupped buttplate. Would this stock be ok for my rifle, or should I just sell it and look further?
                        Grant
                        Last edited by Col.Klink; 01-20-2009, 04:30 PM. Reason: Poor use of the English language :)

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                          #72
                          Anybody have thoughts about the JP Sauer stock I mentioned?

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                              #74
                              How was shooting the MP40? I have never shot one, but would love to.

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                                #75
                                Mr. Smith is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, and he was very generous in allowing my dad and I to use his gun. That MP40 was amazing! It was almost like firing a .22, there was so little recoil, and it stayed on target the entire time. It was probably the most fun I have ever had shooting in several years at the range! Now all I gotta do is save up 10K to get one myself....

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