Russian captured MP44?

[fullriede]

They are similar to czechs swords - but it is typical UK proof stamp mentioned above.

Nothing to do with Czech markings.

Regards
Marcin

[Michael Kuligowski]

They are similar to czechs swords - but it is typical UK proof stamp mentioned above.

Nothing to do with Czech markings.

Regards
Marcin

I am learning

[macumazan]

Those are the UK deactivation markings. The crossed swords one is Birmingham, the D & A either side of the swords means deactivated and the 94 is the date, so in this case it was originally deactivated in the UK in 1994 and sent to the Birmingham proof house to be certified as deactivated. The second mark is a reproof from 2008 as, I'm presuming the original certificate was lost and it has to be resubmitted to the proof house to get a replacement, in this case it can be seen that it went to the London proof house to be rechecked because of the Scimitar stamp (with the D & A for deact and 08 for the date).

Mike, you are right the deactivation certificate which came with the weapon is from 20/04/2008!!!!!

So I asume it come from perhaps any Varsaw Pact Country after 1989 as operative weapon and then was deactivated in 1994.

the "X" is a Russian mark or a Chez or Yugoslavian one?

the weapon then was reblued by any Varsaw Pact Country ?

Thanks!!!!

[LT69]

Hi

Prior to the 1988 Firearms Ammendment Act here in the UK MP44's converted to semi-auto only were legal Section 1 Firearms and could be owned by civilian shooters who held a firearm certificate.

A lot of shooters, myself included, chose to deactivate our legally held weapons rather than surrender them for compensation that was never paid out! Early 1989 was the cut off date for the hand in so this would tie in with the 1989 proof mark.

Does the trigger group on yours function fully ie trip the hammer when the selector is set to full auto and you work the bolt?

[macumazan]

Hi

Prior to the 1988 Firearms Ammendment Act here in the UK MP44's converted to semi-auto only were legal Section 1 Firearms and could be owned by civilian shooters who held a firearm certificate.

A lot of shooters, myself included, chose to deactivate our legally held weapons rather than surrender them for compensation that was never paid out! Early 1989 was the cut off date for the hand in so this would tie in with the 1989 proof mark.

Does the trigger group on yours function fully ie trip the hammer when the selector is set to full auto and you work the bolt?

yes, in the down possition of the selector set I can fire dry, but when is in the up position (burst), I cannot fire any more!!

[LT69]

That aside the deact work looks nicely done. I take it the barrel is overbored and/or slotted but is the chamber pinned? A lot of the early deacts submitted to Birmingham didn't have pinned chambers and could feed and eject dummy rounds !

[MG34NZ]

yes, in the down possition of the selector set I can fire dry, but when is in the up position (burst), I cannot fire any more!!

I think that you are using the safety ? The selector for semi/Auto is the "button " you push in above the safety leaver.

Regards

MG34NZ

[macumazan]

I think that you are using the safety ? The selector for semi/Auto is the "button " you push in above the safety leaver.

Regards

MG34NZ

yes , I was wrong,I refered to the safety, not the button,

the Spanish CETME for selection semi/Auto has a bar similar to the MP44 safety I was talking about and I was thinking about CETME instead of MP44.
the selection bar has 3 positions: s: safe, T: tiro (1 round by 1 round) and R:rafaga (burst). In one bar there are the 3 functions, instead of a selector (button) apart from the safety. I attach the picture of a CETME (the CETME is one of the sons of MP44)

yes I refered to the safety, sorry

about the selector (button) I can also fire the MP44 in both positions

regards

[Bergflak]

the "X" is a Russian mark or a Chez or Yugoslavian one?

the weapon then was reblued by any Varsaw Pact Country ?

Thanks!!!!

I have heard of ex-DDR and Yugo guns, Cz might also be possible, but I have never heard of Russian capture (RC) MP44's on the market, so I think we can rule out that for the moment (unless someone else can confirm this?). These guns obviously saw postwar service in these countries, and are almost always force-matched (renumbered parts to match) and reblued due to wear.

I wouldn't have paid for the "museum" story, which actually was used quite a lot by some UK dealers back in the 1990's! I also bought a deact Mp44 back in 1995 from a UK dealer for the whooping sum of $550,- and also claimed to be from a museum! But I later learned that there was quite a few of these floating around in the UK at that time.

[macumazan]

I cannot help telling something about the CETME


It was developed as a prototype by the Mauser company in 1945, but the defeat of Germany in the II World War stopped the project. Nevertheless, some implied technicians of Mauser in the project were refuged in Spain. One of them, Ludwing Vorgrimler, was its main developer. The CETME was created by order of the Spanish Ministry military, and its first model (a) saw the light in 1952

[MG34NZ]

I take the X as being the russian capture marking. There would have been a lot of RC weapons distributed throughout the former soviet union so even if they have not been released in bulk like k98s there is no reason some werent sourced from a former soviet union states/countrys surplus over the years or arms supplied elsewhere around the globe ex russia that have changed hands again and again.
I have RC MG34s and K98s and all have the same X stamping.

If you have information that disproves the X being a R/C marking please make your thoughts knowen
Regards

MG34NZ

[macumazan]

That aside the deact work looks nicely done. I take it the barrel is overbored and/or slotted but is the chamber pinned? A lot of the early deacts submitted to Birmingham didn't have pinned chambers and could feed and eject dummy rounds !

The camber is pinned; I attach pictures of the deactivation from different perspectives, there is a barrel inside the gun,

Thanks,

[macumazan]

[macumazan]

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