Gew98 Ss

[sszza2]

There is a Czech ZK 383 SMG marked HSSPF and and a MPz.B41 marked for the SS in the Springfield Armory Museum (USA); been there since WW2.

....and then there is APG. Apparently our military armouries and museum system fell victim to fraudsters purveying fake SS marked weapons circa '45-'46. Perhaps a Werewold operation!

[nzef1940]

Well put, could not agree more.

See the last line of my answer above. It is rather tedious to continue to repeat answers on a subject, which has been thoroughly and repeatedly addressed. I learned years ago that it is incumbent upon students to open the book before going to class and running their mouth. It is not the responsibility of those who have researched and continually posted on this or any subject to repeat answers on demand and debate those with lazy minds.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
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[landsknechte]

See the last line of my answer above. It is rather tedious to continue to repeat answers on a subject, which has been thoroughly and repeatedly addressed. I learned years ago that it is incumbent upon students to open the book before going to class and running their mouth. It is not the responsibility of those who have researched and continually posted on this or any subject to repeat answers on demand and debate those with lazy minds.<o>></o>>
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Personally, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know if the TK was used or not. I don't really care. I have no stake in the outcome of this debate, and only commented after growing tired of hearing the dismissive "...I just don't like it..." statements. That's not helpful. Beginning collectors need more help than just the pronouncements of the experts. They need to know the "why". If you're tired of answering, don't answer.

If beginning collectors knew where to find the answers, they wouldn't be beginning collectors now would they? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and if you want to set yourself up as the sort of zen master of militaria that you seem to want to be seen as, a little less arrogance would seem to be in order.

[sszza2]

Personally, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know if the TK was used or not. I don't really care. I have no stake in the outcome of this debate, and only commented after growing tired of hearing the dismissive "...I just don't like it..." statements. That's not helpful. Beginning collectors need more help than just the pronouncements of the experts. They need to know the "why". If you're tired of answering, don't answer.

If beginning collectors knew where to find the answers, they wouldn't be beginning collectors now would they? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and if you want to set yourself up as the sort of zen master of militaria that you seem to want to be seen as, a little less arrogance would seem to be in order.

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This subject is my primary research/collecting focus. So it is interesting to hear that you “don’t know if the TK was used or not”, "don't really care" and have “no stake in the outcome of this debate”. Begs the question why you read the post and felt compelled to reply in the first place. Sounds like you have time on your hands that I don’t. <o></o>
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I agree that beginning collectors need to know the "why". I just believe it is their responsibility to find the "why" and neither demand or expect more experienced researchers/collectors to give them the cliff notes version every time they ask. Beginning collectors remain beginning collectors as long as they choose. We were all beginning collectors once and thus remember what it took to move up. IMO - knowledge is and always has been more powerful than money in any hobby. Today’s tools make the learning process much easier and safer. I prefer to think that Napoleon’s old adage that every soldier carries a Marshal’s baton in his knapsack is applicable to the beginning collector. <o></o>
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So Landsknechte, based on the evidence it is clear that you must be one of these beginning collectors. Otherwise, you would know that a simple search of WAF using the title words of this thread produces 15 threads. That same search on Google produces 1620 results, which contain links to quality G/K98 Forums. Sure doesn’t require “Zen master of militaria” skills to get these results. Perhaps before your next embarrassing foray into criticizing things you don’t know or care about you should do 2 minutes of basic research and see how simple it is to get answers so long as you are not lazy.

Good luck with all of that!

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[sszza2]

Mark,

I hope you recognize that my recent comments were not directed at you and instead at those who comment on subjects they don't know about. You are not lazy and showed initiative to post observations and pics that illustrated that your observations were accurate and the subject rifle authentic.

Scott

[landsknechte]

So Landsknechte, based on the evidence it is clear that you must be one of these beginning collectors. Otherwise, you would know that a simple search of WAF using the title words of this thread produces 15 threads. That same search on Google produces 1620 results, which contain links to quality G/K98 Forums. Sure doesn’t require “Zen master of militaria” skills to get these results. Perhaps before your next embarrassing foray into criticizing things you don’t know or care about you should do 2 minutes of basic research and see how simple it is to get answers so long as you are not lazy.

I am not arguing that the information is not there, and that it is not accessible. I was discussing the nature of a response in this particular thread, and a tendency that I have seen in countless other threads exhibited by countless other posters. Understanding that doesn't require crack research skills, just a basic level of reading comprehension. I guess I assumed too much. If you want to throw jibes at me about being a beginner around here, you're going to have to rack up about 2500 more posts before that argument is going to hold any water.

[sszza2]

I am not arguing that the information is not there, and that it is not accessible. I was discussing the nature of a response in this particular thread, and a tendency that I have seen in countless other threads exhibited by countless other posters. Understanding that doesn't require crack research skills, just a basic level of reading comprehension. I guess I assumed too much. If you want to throw jibes at me about being a beginner around here, you're going to have to rack up about 2500 more posts before that argument is going to hold any water.

Anyone could run up a high post score. I can't imagine any rational person would use post scores as an indicator of knowledge. Regardless, the content of your posts in this thread make it clear that quantity does not have any relationship to quality. Therefore comparing post scores is moot.

Also - so sorry you don't like a taste of your own condescension. <O></O>

[Mark Edward C]

Thanks Scott. Guys I found the rifle in a pile of junk 98s...actually it was covered in dirt and the markings were all hidden. With a lot of cleaning, the history become clear. The rifle was $35.00. I'm sure it's real.
Thanks for the comments.

[Jason]

Wow mark ,I want to take you shopping with me!

[Mark Edward C]

ss rifle

LETS GO BRO!!!!

More goodies await!!!!

[james m]

At one point I used to discount these as fantasy iterms.
However I was visiting a collector several years ago who had both a K98 and a Luger marked in a similiar fashion to the one pictured here. What made these interesting to me is the collector had the capture paper from 1945 from the Vet who brought them back. Both the K98 and the Luger were listed on this document by serial number. It would be hard to believe that this type of fakery was going on at that time.
Jim

[phild]

This thread and for that matter this whole subject of SS marked weapons had probably gone too far off track here to be put right, but I will offer the following anyway:

1. There is no question that the SS marked a wide range of weapons with several variations of TK and sig-rune symbols during the the period. These markings generally were applied due to some type of processing/re-work/conversion thru an SS depot or workshop. There is a ryme and reason as to the exact type/style and combination of most orginal SS markings to be found and the period and type of weapon it is found on. I don't think that any advanced collector would argue with those statements above.

2. These markings have also been greatly and expertly faked by many people for many years (at least 40 and probably over 50 to hear from some collectors who were involved in the 1950s!! So many (probably most that are around) SS marked firearms are fakes....most experienced collectors in this area feel that they can tell the difference....so the fakes don't tar the whole lot.

3. Be carefull with so-called capture papers. They are very often used to prop up a fake item (and are often fake themselves). Lugers with SS markings scare me very much as these were about the first firearms to be faked like this and probably the most targeted. It is easy to find Lugers with serial numbered good bring back documents and then fake the SS markings. This is done with helmets and everything else all the time as of the last 20 to 30 years when these capture papers became popular as supporting docs to authenicate items......they mean NOTHING to me...I don't pay $10 more for a "capture paper".

[1945]

Wath about the 01 skull?
I hawe seen one my self, and that reworked 98k is a "true" ww2 sleeper.

Best regards
1945

[Dr. Strangelove]

sehr nett

Nice find Mark!

And to say that SS Marked Weapons do not exist is preposterous. They sure do, I own several. My MP-35 made under an SS Contract is a beauty.

[1945]

Wath about the 01 skull?
I hawe seen one my self, and that reworked 98k is a "true" ww2 sleeper.

Best regards
1945

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