DEWAT weapons dealers

[Bob Hritz]

In Illinois, you cannot legally own any machine gun, except for licensed Class 3 dealers with samples for law enforcement sales.

You cannot own a DEWAT (deactivated) machine gun at all. Illinois law bans any weapon that was EVER capable of firing more than one shot with the activation of a trigger. Because Illinois law prohibits these DEWATS, you cannot obtain legal transfer through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

All that is left is dummy guns with dummy receivers made incapable of conversion to live fire and devoid of any internal parts or the cuts for internal/external parts of the firing mechanism.

When I France, I nearly swooned when the owner of an antiques shop brough out an excellent MP44 that had been deactivated. However, there was no way for me to legally own this in the US, so I just got all misty and walked away. He thought I was crazy when I told him it was illegal in the US. He asked why and I told him "Al Capone". He couldn't understand why a piece that was incapable if firing would be illegal when there are shootings every day in the US. I looked at him blankly; I had no logical explaination.

Bob Hritz

[Rick Research]

There is no "logical" explanation--NEVER HAS BEEN!

My families have mostly been here 360 years now, and in all that time none of us has EVER shot anybody except when the gubamint of their time put them in Matching Outfits and told them where to aim. Statistically, that makes me a pretty piss-poor prospect as a potential "problem,"

except in the minds of elite crazies hungry for totalitarian rule.

So, until the current Moron Republican state regime hands over total executive-legislative-judicial control to our Mugabe-wannabes in this November's elections, I could still (Kennedy jokes, Bob? You got it--so far--worse than me! ) buy any DEWAT MG that I desire--at an in state show. I cannot, however, have the same item MAILED to me from out of state.

The "point" is not to have rules that make sense... but to make arbitrary rules that can... never... quite... actually be followed in the real world. Ban by bureaucracy. Confiscation by confusion.

[Matt Weber]

Why does anyone want a dummy gun? I have a saying, "dummy guns are for dummies!" Why spend $1,800 for a dummy gun when you can spend $7,000 and get the real deal!? I know its' a lot of money, but so is $1800.

Jamie, if you want a German potato masher check out my friend Charlies site at- www.checkpointcharlies.com. He also can get a real MG34 or MG42! I will personally vouch for anything he sells. If you want I can even inspect anything he has for you before you buy, since he lives only 1 hour from me.

Matt

PS- He also has a K98 grenade launcher for sale right now from the Wittingham collection! Its' a beauty!

Note: It is leagal to own a machine gun here in WI, but you must get a class 3 permit from your county sherrifs' office, and of course you can only buy, (and sell it) to a class 3 dealer.
I think it is funny how many stupid laws there are to try and prevent honest US citizens from owning a class 3 firearm, when there has been only one murder in the USA history where a registered class 3 firearm was used! That murder was in the 1920s' and was commited by a police officer!!!!
The majority of gun fatalities in the US are caused by.......drum roll please........... .22 cal rifles/pistols! FACT!

Matt

[admcdonald]

Dear Jan,
All I know of American culture is derived from diverse gems such as "cops" and "Oprah".Of course everything is legal there.
Here down under(and I would suspect most comonwealth countries would be similar)weapons laws have turned draconian to say the least.
Of course with a massive tragedy in a small poulation like yours,the means are most likely to be the center of attention,never the causes.
Like it or lump it,you're going to end up as boring as us.Now we never had automatic weapons(probably because noone had the cheek to ask for one),yet we did have the semiauto's-obviously a sop to those who didn't have enough time,bullets and or skill.(Tongue in cheek here)
Well after a particularly horrendous massacre at a popuar holiday resort(THIRTY-FIVE),things came to a head.(well who would have thought that?).(We thought after the last few,that they were just a passing fad)
Now to the outside observer,it may seem that a gun culture had grown unrestricted,and even worse unobserved and unchecked.
Both charges are equally true.
Rifles are the weapon of choice in Australia,whether they be of a hunting,target or pest control variety.
Now cases can be made for all classes of weapon's,target-hunting et al,but no-one has admitted the need (save the military)of an exceedingly quick next or series of shots.
And it has not escaped the attention of the fourth estate(when hi-power seemingly eludes them),that most weapon related homicides are commited with low velocity weapons.
The future result of gun limitation?Probably unknown,certainly less homicide related deaths.
The immediate result?An immediate lowering of gun related crime.
The middle ground?Well fug all really as now all legal firearms are owned by liscenced owners,that doesn't negate their misuse however.
It is certainly without doubt that through our new restrictive gun laws,many,many,many antique and collector weapon's(previously owned despite restrictive legislation)were destroyed without due care,owing to an "amnesty" on such weapons.
It is these that I cry for most.Riflles may be restricted,but never banned,aren't they merely a tool?

[Steve in Florida]

Gun laws.....bad.

admacdonald writes: Now to the outside observer,it may seem that a gun culture had grown unrestricted,and even worse unobserved and unchecked. Both charges are equally true.

Here in the US, law abiding gunowners are pretty restricted. It's the criminals , crazies, and sh*thead politicians who are out of control and seemingly free to do as they please.

I had heard that violent crime went up in Australia after the most recent gun bans, or was this just propaganda?

[admcdonald]

Dear Steve,
I'm fairly confident that the crime upsurge was by and large bunkum.If anything,they show a general trend downwards in all criminal activities.
What is true,is that the NRA sponsored a documentary on the weapons related restrictions in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre.
It was never screened here.
Regards:Andrew

[Dez H]

I am not sure where this exactly comes from, it is quite widespread on the internet I am just passing it on.

It has now been over 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the Australian Government more than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in:


Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!).

In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.

Figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms (but increased drastically in the past 12 months).

There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been served after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns." Bet you won't see this data on the evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. It's time to state it plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.


Take note, Californians and other Americans, before it's too late!

Simply I could not have put it better myself. Enjoy the road to trinity while it lasts.....


Actually I have found where that comes from, it is part of an interview conducted by Ginny Simone with Keith Tidswell of Australia's Sporting Shooters Association.

http://www.nralive.com/index2.cfm

[nt198998]

So, you could not purchase a deactivated MG42 in Europe, and import it to the United States?

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Mark, no this is not legal.

Wow this is an old thread. I will move to it the correct forum while I am at it.

Cheers, Ade.